Energy self-sufficiency - Offers

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T21150

2016-05-17 21:10:38
  • #1


Exactly right. That’s how it would be for us. I currently have about 260W base load, with a new refrigerator about 220W, with a new freezer added 200W. Nothing more can be done except turning off the main fuse.......
 

toxicmolotof

2016-05-17 21:33:49
  • #2
Or router, NAS, TV, multiswitch, cable amplifier, thermostats, etc... turn everything off.
 

T21150

2016-05-17 21:35:32
  • #3


Exactly. Going through the points, you know where >= 50% of the base load comes from......lol. I've done all that....because at first I thought: That can't be. But it is. Every little bit counts.

Here I can really only optimize the fridge/freezer. After that, I've "optimized myself to death." As of today, there's no more to do........except switch off. But I still want to live here, not just vegetate.
 

toxicmolotof

2016-05-17 21:39:41
  • #4
Exactly, either you pull through and turn everything off, or you have to live with the fact that 50% of electricity consumption goes to the base load. 250W makes 6kW per day. For that, such a permanently slow but continuously turning wind turbine would be ideal.
 

PhiTh

2016-05-18 12:42:17
  • #5
I would recommend that you consult a good planner. I have also been dealing with the topic for some time now. I have already attended various lectures on wind power and all I have learned is that it is not worthwhile. The pure investment for the wind turbine is not the end of it. There are a few more components involved before the electricity flows into the grid, and it is exactly these that make small wind turbines uneconomical ;)

We will install a large solar thermal system and a 5,000-liter buffer tank during our construction. This should cover the summer period. In the cold months, I will heat with firewood (wood is "available"). This way, I am relatively self-sufficient when it comes to heating.
For electricity consumption, a 10 kWp photovoltaic system will be installed on the roof. We will currently not install a power storage yet but will prepare for it. I hope to become relatively self-sufficient this way.
 

T21150

2016-05-18 17:54:00
  • #6


Very nice post from you.

I think: Self-sufficiency is - as of today - never really worthwhile. It is a passion of some "crackpots" (I am slowly counting myself among them), not a business. People who do this bear the costs themselves that would otherwise be borne by the public.

That’s why I find the wind turbine charming. Costs aside for now. It’s only about self-sufficiency, we don’t sugarcoat the calculation, better we don’t calculate at all (otherwise I wouldn’t have a photovoltaic system with battery either).

As we wrote above (f-pNo / me): Base load coverage. When I look at the radiation curves from November onwards, it turns really bleak for photovoltaics. No matter how big the battery is (apart from the fact that in my micro-house with micro utility room I cannot fit a bigger one than the one I have). Real winter, the large battery will never be full enough, you have to recharge from the grid (= nonsense).

Just out of interest: The 5,000-liter tank is a unit.... wow... Where did you hide it? How is it insulated? What are the daily heat losses (even my small 300-liter storage tank of good quality in the house needs 2.7 kWh/day of maintenance energy at 50 degrees average (= loss)). How big is your solar thermal system supposed to be? What collectors?

A 10 kWp photovoltaic system without storage. That is generously sized. You won’t get much out of the feed-in tariff. Are you sure the sizing is right? For a single-family house, usually 5-7 kWp is enough, especially with south facing orientation. I almost suspect you want to attach a 10 kWh + x battery later, then that makes more sense......

Best regards
Thorsten
 

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