Divide and develop plots themselves

  • Erstellt am 2021-08-03 14:51:07

hampshire

2021-08-03 16:36:44
  • #1
Go to one of the public Bauausschuss meetings and get an impression of how it is composed, what occupies them there, which development goals are discussed, this way you will come significantly closer to an assessment. If you have some liquid discretionary funds and the plots are for sale, just make a move if it is clear that no planning for recreational areas or sealing compensation is intended. Eventually, something always happens in the inner area. The value you pay now will most likely earn you interest back if you build elsewhere in the meantime.
 

ypg

2021-08-03 16:40:09
  • #2
Well, already the "What is possible?", "How is it possible?", "what is available" (development), a layperson who only knows single-family homes in the form of city villas and gable roof houses, possibly also dormer houses on rectangular plots and terraced houses with their own parcels, simply does not recognize that. The layperson is often already overwhelmed with the HOW part, so that it is fair. A warning: then costs come that no one is willing to pay because at the beginning there is no guarantee yet. So someone has to take the blame. Later on, only half remain because either the right school is not nearby or the area is in the opposite direction to the future grandmother.
 

pkiensch

2021-08-03 17:02:04
  • #3

Thank you!


Ok. Am I reading the subtext correctly that one should simply keep an open mind because one probably cannot grasp all the possibilities that a good architect/other professional can conjure out of a seemingly not optimal plot of land? I am particularly interested in the phase before a concrete purchase interest, the grid search for potential plots so to speak.


I hope that one can already sort that out in the course of the search, i.e. before purchase. Of course, the risk remains.
 

Escroda

2021-08-03 17:55:48
  • #4

So all with about 40-70% financing. No one who would not be ruined by fronting a six-figure sum.

Yes. The actual use in the cadastre or land register has no direct building law relevance. However, it serves statistical purposes, for example to justify a planning requirement (land use plan amendment, development plan preparation).

An initial assessment of the planning law situation of a possibly suitable plot of land. Here are three examples from a randomly selected village in the mentioned region without checking the actual conditions:
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Parcels 729, 730; unplanned inner area; buildable according to §34 of the Federal Building Code with 6 semi-detached houses.
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Parcels 65-69 and possibly parts of neighbor plots; possibly §34 Federal Building Code (see above), possibly outer area within inner area according to §35 Federal Building Code, which requires the establishment of a development plan possibly according to §§11ff Federal Building Code, which requires a lot of experience and advance payment.
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Part of parcel 701; a development plan is certainly required.

Yes.

Hard to predict. However, in the Rhenish lignite mining area there is a high sensitivity to interventions in nature.

Yes, there are various experts for this.
But honestly: This is for people who want to avoid negative interest rates. As soon as you have to create the planning law prerequisites by establishing a development plan, the risk simply becomes too great. Look out for plots of category 1.
 

pkiensch

2021-08-03 18:20:48
  • #5
Thank you very much for the hints and examples, these are extremely helpful!

I have one more question regarding example 2: When/how can I most easily find out whether parcels are "Außenbereich im Innenbereich" (great term!)? According to the land use plan of Bergheim, parcels 65-69 are residential building areas, is that relevant, or does it always only help to send an inquiry/make a call to the responsible office - and which would that be for this specific question, building authority?

Otherwise, based on previous answers as well, I roughly read the following:
- Stay away from the Außenbereich, even if inside
- If inside, have a professional check whether/how a potentially suitable plot can be built on according to §34 of the Building Code, otherwise stay away. Do not underestimate what could potentially be suitable, because a trained eye recognizes much more than a layperson.

Is that roughly correct?
 

Escroda

2021-08-03 19:40:00
  • #6

Legally binding only with a building inquiry. I have experienced that one and the same caseworker came to a different assessment for the same plot after two years without any changes to the conditions. Unlike me, he had not documented his first statement.

For your project, yes; for the inner/outer boundary it is an indication, a puzzle piece. Whether the urban structure allows development without a development plan depends on many individual factors, e.g. the municipality’s land balance.

Not always. I doubt that an informal inquiry will yield a meaningful answer, certainly not a call.

That depends on the organizational structure of the municipality.

Does that still exist nowadays? Today there are specialist departments and managements. I think the city planners have to comment on this, whatever their organizational unit is called – it used to be the planning office (A61).

Not necessarily. Although I strongly advise against developing your own development plan, in June the extension of §13b of the Building Code was passed, which makes it easier for municipalities to establish development plans under certain conditions. With a bit of luck, a group of prospective builders might find open ears.
 

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