Specki
2019-12-18 15:00:35
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Hello everyone,
we are planning to build a new house and now have some questions about the development plan.
Maybe you can give some concrete answers or estimates about the situation here.
On Friday, I will probably go to the municipality again and try to clarify things more concretely.
Briefly about the background or framework conditions:
We own the parcel number 2414 and the adjacent plot at the back, which is outlined in purple and marked with a circle for better identification.
The plot area is about 750 sqm.
We currently live in the front house on parcel number 2414 and use the back plot as a large garden.
The street adjacent to the north is not yet built. It is planned for 2020.
Since the current house is an old building from the 70s with two apartments, we would like to build a new one at the back. Currently, we live with 2 children in only 95 sqm. Since my wife, as a self-employed person, has an office and the kids only have a shared children's room, it is all quite tight.
The street has been planned for many years, but now the city has acquired the last plot to implement it. According to the municipality, it should now be built next year.
So we took a closer look at the development plan. Unfortunately, I am not very happy about it.
I’ll try to structure the individual points and questions a bit.
Let's see how far we get with this thread.
Attached is the relevant excerpt of the plan.
1. It is a mixed-use area.
2. The number of full floors is set at 1 (mandatory). This means for me, first of all, that I may only build one full floor and then the attic may have a ceiling height of 2.2m or more on max. 2/3 of the area.
3. Roof pitch is specified in the development plan statute as 22 - 28°.
4. The great sentence in the statute: "The height of knee walls, measured from the top edge of the ceiling to the intersection of the outer edge of the masonry with the top edge of the purlin, may not exceed 0.5m."
So there's no big leeway here either. Thus, the usable attic will be significantly smaller than the ground floor.
5. Site coverage ratio = 0.25; I see this as uncritical for our project
6. Floor area ratio = 0.3; I see this as uncritical for our project
7. According to the statute: "Dormer windows are only permitted in main buildings with flat-lying windows." This means for me, dormers are not allowed and only roof windows are possible, right?
We once considered building a house with ground floor + upper floor. Also with some knee walls on the upper floor, but 0.5 m is really quite extreme. Thus, a lot of space will be lost on the upper floor and I have to make the ground floor larger.
The plan is a house of about 130 sqm for a family of four including an office.
We currently have the following 3 ideas (all still very rough)
1. Ground floor + upper floor with reduced area. So the ground floor a bit larger and the upper floor with knee walls. Ground floor maybe about 75 sqm, upper floor about 60 sqm. Roof pitch as steep as possible with 28°.
2. Alternatively, basement + ground floor each with about 75 sqm and possibly a "cold" attic and gable roof with 22°. But then living rooms (children's room/office) would have to be in the basement. So a basement is needed that must also be well insulated and have large basement windows.
3. Or a bungalow with about 125 sqm. Advantage: living space is somewhat smaller overall as no stairs are needed and one bathroom suffices. No intermediate floor. Space under the roof can be used as storage. Disadvantage: large slab, large roof. More plot area is lost.
How would you rate the three options in terms of cost?
We want to build as cost-effectively as possible, without much frills.
Possibly relevant info: it shall be a KFW40 house. It shall have either controlled residential ventilation or a decentralized ventilation system.
Own work for sure: plastering, flooring, electrical work.
What other suggestions do you have? Advantages, disadvantages?
It was also considered to build a multi-family house with 3 or 5 units. But after looking at the development plan, that is definitely off the table...
I think there will be more threads about our planning as it gets more detailed. This is just a first starting point.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Best regards
Specki

we are planning to build a new house and now have some questions about the development plan.
Maybe you can give some concrete answers or estimates about the situation here.
On Friday, I will probably go to the municipality again and try to clarify things more concretely.
Briefly about the background or framework conditions:
We own the parcel number 2414 and the adjacent plot at the back, which is outlined in purple and marked with a circle for better identification.
The plot area is about 750 sqm.
We currently live in the front house on parcel number 2414 and use the back plot as a large garden.
The street adjacent to the north is not yet built. It is planned for 2020.
Since the current house is an old building from the 70s with two apartments, we would like to build a new one at the back. Currently, we live with 2 children in only 95 sqm. Since my wife, as a self-employed person, has an office and the kids only have a shared children's room, it is all quite tight.
The street has been planned for many years, but now the city has acquired the last plot to implement it. According to the municipality, it should now be built next year.
So we took a closer look at the development plan. Unfortunately, I am not very happy about it.
I’ll try to structure the individual points and questions a bit.
Let's see how far we get with this thread.
Attached is the relevant excerpt of the plan.
1. It is a mixed-use area.
2. The number of full floors is set at 1 (mandatory). This means for me, first of all, that I may only build one full floor and then the attic may have a ceiling height of 2.2m or more on max. 2/3 of the area.
3. Roof pitch is specified in the development plan statute as 22 - 28°.
4. The great sentence in the statute: "The height of knee walls, measured from the top edge of the ceiling to the intersection of the outer edge of the masonry with the top edge of the purlin, may not exceed 0.5m."
So there's no big leeway here either. Thus, the usable attic will be significantly smaller than the ground floor.
5. Site coverage ratio = 0.25; I see this as uncritical for our project
6. Floor area ratio = 0.3; I see this as uncritical for our project
7. According to the statute: "Dormer windows are only permitted in main buildings with flat-lying windows." This means for me, dormers are not allowed and only roof windows are possible, right?
We once considered building a house with ground floor + upper floor. Also with some knee walls on the upper floor, but 0.5 m is really quite extreme. Thus, a lot of space will be lost on the upper floor and I have to make the ground floor larger.
The plan is a house of about 130 sqm for a family of four including an office.
We currently have the following 3 ideas (all still very rough)
1. Ground floor + upper floor with reduced area. So the ground floor a bit larger and the upper floor with knee walls. Ground floor maybe about 75 sqm, upper floor about 60 sqm. Roof pitch as steep as possible with 28°.
2. Alternatively, basement + ground floor each with about 75 sqm and possibly a "cold" attic and gable roof with 22°. But then living rooms (children's room/office) would have to be in the basement. So a basement is needed that must also be well insulated and have large basement windows.
3. Or a bungalow with about 125 sqm. Advantage: living space is somewhat smaller overall as no stairs are needed and one bathroom suffices. No intermediate floor. Space under the roof can be used as storage. Disadvantage: large slab, large roof. More plot area is lost.
How would you rate the three options in terms of cost?
We want to build as cost-effectively as possible, without much frills.
Possibly relevant info: it shall be a KFW40 house. It shall have either controlled residential ventilation or a decentralized ventilation system.
Own work for sure: plastering, flooring, electrical work.
What other suggestions do you have? Advantages, disadvantages?
It was also considered to build a multi-family house with 3 or 5 units. But after looking at the development plan, that is definitely off the table...
I think there will be more threads about our planning as it gets more detailed. This is just a first starting point.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Best regards
Specki