Cost estimate for a single-family house near Heidelberg

  • Erstellt am 2018-05-21 18:09:24

Zaba12

2018-05-21 22:09:38
  • #1
I don't know the cost of the basement now, but if I deduct the following from the 160k€
- Fireplace + chimney 11k€
- L-blocks including terrain modeling 26k€
- Basement flat rate without finishing 40k€
- Cistern 3k€

Then I am at 80k€ for a KfW 55 shell without basement and roof for 139 sqm
 

timmy-baut

2018-05-21 22:21:43
  • #2
I am also speaking up again. Thank you for the many responses.

Here are a few more details about our project:

We actually do not need [Bora]. We also do not necessarily need a controlled residential ventilation system.

The costs for the garden and for paving the driveway, which some of you mentioned, are planned but are not included in the stated budget of €420,000.

Instead of a double garage, we could certainly live with a simple garage + carport.

Regarding the basement: If we were to do without the basement, we could certainly save costs. However, there was previously a house with a basement on the plot, which has already been demolished. So if we build without a basement, we would have to fill the pit again. If there are cost advantages, we could also build a partial basement, i.e., without enlarging the existing pit (our house is supposed to have a larger footprint than the previous one). As a result, the costs for earthworks and disposal should actually decrease unless they are overcompensated by additional required measures to guarantee structural stability.

Overall, however, we probably still have to expect higher costs.
 

ypg

2018-05-21 22:46:42
  • #3
So, controlled residential ventilation is nowadays considered standard, basic standard!
 

Nordlys

2018-05-21 22:53:55
  • #4
Not like that, Timmy.
First of all, it takes a strong character stance. We will get by with our 420. We will get by with it. Yes, we will.
That is dogma.
Then the requirements specification. What is a must, what would be nice to have, what would be superfluous?
Set it up!
Then planning. Windows. There is this one more thing, wall holes, then 1 m windows fit well, those are the cheap formats. Plan like that.
Then windows, doors, no doubles, sliding, folding doors, inside the doors white smooth, outside must it be gray foil? Or would white also work?
Consider, you look outside, it’s no comfort gain if the mailman sees them gray.
How to ventilate? If not controlled living space ventilation, then what? RegelAir and Helios? Possible, but you have to want it.
KNX or smart home? Drives costs!
Stairs? Is beech okay? It’s classic, hard, affordable!
Vinyl? 25 gross per sqm, that works well. You can also get good quality for 19.90.
Roof tile? Braas Harzer Pfanne concrete lasts 50 years too.
Plan so that it’s cheap without really having to give up living quality.
You’ll be surprised where you save money afterwards, one thousand gives another. And in the end, the dogma becomes real. Don’t give up, don’t let yourself be driven crazy, stubborn and sturdy go the way. Like a soldier marching. Will a professional liability insurance be miserable? Then you just don’t sign. There will be one in Heidelberg too, who fits you. Karsten
 

ruppsn

2018-05-22 04:30:40
  • #5

In my HLB trade, sanitary piping, heating including underfloor heating (ground floor, upper floor, one room in the basement), all sanitary fixtures in normal to upscale quality (aka rain shower, because the OP mentioned it) and centralized controlled residential ventilation (Zehnder, about 13k) were included.
By the way, I also build with KS, therefore ETICS on top, and admittedly, the building volume is not a box but has a few projections and recesses, which does not make it cheaper. Let’s say 5k less, but those were only rough reference points +/- 10%. On average, it is useful as a rough guideline, I think.

Your 85k sounds like a good price. But if you add what one calculates for a basement, namely 80k, then you are not that far off.

We had to build a basement because the plot was quite small. Watertight shell due to clay soil, earthworks with rock inclusions and partial soil replacement (clay is not compactable) unfortunately don’t come for free and cost accordingly – even on a flat lot, because that’s what ours is. But the OP asked about a basement.


Well, with a basement, there is another staircase – and then you’re also at 13k. By the way, we are installing a flat steel stringer staircase with landing and solid wood oak steps. The covering doesn’t make the difference; it’s simply because we have to bridge 2 floors. Nothing extravagant like a Cliffhanger or similar. You would probably pay what we pay for 2 floors for just one floor with that. Two-stringer stairs are what property developers like to install and are accordingly inexpensive, true. If you like it, why not. But it is not necessarily what fits a normal to upscale standard for me, so I based it on our staircase.

Otherwise, I completely agree with you. Estimates can’t be given much more precisely at this stage of planning. However, I clearly stated with my numbers that they are only very rough and can easily have a 10% variance, if not more. We already discussed how regionally very different the costs for geothermal heating are. I would have loved to take it, but with 12k to 15k surcharge (namely the drilling costs here in Middle Franconia), it was unfortunately not justifiable. In your case, from what I remember, it was significantly less – that shows how extreme the differences sometimes are.

Another randomly picked point
to validate the interior doors trade, because Karsten said “simply in white” (paraphrased) is enough. Well, interior door, white, CPL, hollow core, Hoppe Amsterdam door handle, installed in Lüneburg at my parents’ place (that’s northern Lower Saxony) 450€/piece. In a basement house (see OP’s wish) you accordingly have rooms, i.e. basement, ground floor, upper floor in total maybe 11 doors -> about 5k. And here we are not talking about block frames or similar, where a door easily costs 1000€.

But as I said, the numbers should only show that 420k with the wishes is sporty and offer a rough orientation.
 

haydee

2018-05-22 06:34:34
  • #6
Set your must-haves for yourselves and put the trends aside, then go to one or two general contractors and get quotes. If possible, take a look around the sampling exhibition to see if you are fine with the given standard. Controlled residential ventilation is standard for me. Lift-and-slide doors are great. Foiled windows can be omitted without any functional limitations.
 

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