Can one house supply two other houses?

  • Erstellt am 2019-05-27 14:39:44

hampshire

2019-05-27 17:09:03
  • #1
Solar roof tiles are suitable for jagged roofs. The investment is worthwhile during the next roof renovation; I would not tear down a relatively new roof for this purpose. Exactly right: in the long run, that is nonsense. That is why the feed-in tariff decreases with the increase of photovoltaic systems. The next step is to store the excess energy for winter, for example in hydrogen, which is obtained from air using electrical energy and stored. A small engine then burns the hydrogen in winter and produces about two-thirds heat energy and one-third electricity.
 

wrobel

2019-05-27 17:37:00
  • #2
Hi

Possible would be, for example, a pellet boiler as a heat generator, district heating pipes to every house, and there a transfer station that also takes care of the hot water preparation. Each residential unit is easy to bill, can heat according to the building and user behavior, and problems with drinking water hygiene are not to be expected.

Olli
 

Pianist

2019-05-27 19:41:56
  • #3

But with pellet heating systems, there is of course the fundamental problem of fine dust pollution; the regulations will surely be tightened in the coming years. And it takes quite a long time for the burned wood to regrow.


Is that already suitable for single-family homes or still science fiction? I have already seen larger industrial plants, but when will something like this be available and affordable for private individuals? Is a breakthrough expected in the next five years? I can definitely imagine it being interesting to produce hydrogen with solar power during the summer and then burn it in winter. Would it be possible to accumulate such an amount over months and would that be sufficient for the winter?

So far, battery storage (for example from former electric car batteries) can only be considered a short-term storage, i.e., perhaps for a few days. But with hydrogen electrolysis, that could certainly work over a longer period.

Then perhaps supplying three houses with such a system would also be possible. However, I would prefer to have something like that outside the residential buildings...

Matthias
 

hampshire

2019-05-27 20:08:51
  • #4
Fine dust is a matter of combustion control with pellet heating systems. That is not a big deal. The pellets must of course be sustainable. We will heat with wood from our own forest (basic stove). Much more grows back annually than we need, although we only have a little more than one hectare of mixed deciduous forest in the "garden." It is still science fiction. I expect the first purchasable systems for private individuals in five years, but not a breakthrough yet. Enough can be stored for the winter months. Suitable tanks already exist; they just need to become cheaper. We use batteries to get through the nights during the production months without thinking and, thanks to hybrid inverters, to operate large consumers (sauna, ceramic kiln, instantaneous water heater) with as little power purchase as possible. The hydrogen addition will come as soon as the technology is mature and reasonably affordable. We are not "first movers" but "early followers." For several houses, an ice storage heating system is also highly interesting.
 

MayrCh

2019-05-28 09:51:13
  • #5

In my opinion, it is still more of a utopia. I don’t see decentralized production and storage of hydrogen being marketable for private individuals within 5 years. Pure hydrogen as a gaseous energy carrier is unfortunately not quite trivial and somewhat more demanding than LPG (keyword Rettenbach) and CNG/natural gas.

Certainly not uninteresting would be the already mentioned local heating solution. Heat demands and operational management would need to be looked at in detail, but such a combined heat and power plant can certainly be a solution.
 

Pianist

2019-05-28 09:59:41
  • #6
I have now read through the ice storage. Why is this particularly interesting when you want to supply multiple houses? To me, it sounds more like something for highly insulated houses with low flow temperatures again, because a heat pump is involved once more.

Matthias
 

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