Calculation of additional costs for undeveloped land, second row with long access path

Hello,

of course a private road costs more than a standard driveway, but I still consider the figures above to be far too high. We also have a private access road branching off from a steep hillside road, with its own incline, elaborately constructed with retaining walls made of highly reinforced precast concrete parts because trucks had to drive there during the construction phase. If I just roughly calculate the "way out," including completion with paving work, etc., we paid significantly less. You are sharing the costs with another party anyway.

The private path must be paved anyway to later drive a car to the house. The construction road already provides this necessary substructure, so these are not double costs. Your civil engineer should install an inspection shaft at the road - this is needed anyway - lay the drainage and eight (four per house) 75mm Kabuflex pipes in the access path. With that, you have everything you need, and the utility companies only need to pull their lines afterward. It will cost only marginally more due to the length of the lines, but you save the horrendous (multiple) earthworks of the utility companies.

If you like the property, the access path would be the last thing to prevent me from buying. Later, you save road cleaning fees because you only border with 3m (or even just 1.5m) width. And you have no clearing obligations on public roads and sidewalks. The house is protected away from traffic. And the children have plenty of uses for a long straight driveway.

Downside: the 3m is tight, but since it is not a slope and the access is not built on, it should work. And the path belongs to you and the neighbor. I would probably divide the path lengthwise. This way, each has their own access for the utility lines - even if you cannot drive on 1.5m, and an agreement is still needed for driving.

Best regards

The access path belongs to the property and would then be divided between buyer A and B.

Note: Since two houses are accessed by the path (and it then becomes joint property?), you should (must) definitely coordinate with the neighbor. - when will it be developed - how will it be developed - how should the street look later - when should the final construction take place - in what quality at what cost and how to agree on this beforehand For example, it would be really awkward if you build now and the neighbor only in five years. Would there then be a gravel road for five years? Are you already paying for a finished road and then get the money back later from the neighbor who isn't doing anything yet? Etc.

For me it would only be a plot if a) the wallet is big enough b) the need is great (we have been desperately looking for years...) c) the alternative plots are offered at rather over 650€/sqm d) you can save money through own efforts (digging yourself, laying pipes, creating a construction road) - subject to approval by suppliers Otherwise, I would not deal with it.

No, neither is the need great, nor the wallet. I really like the location. Due to the adjacent cemetery and because the front neighbor has his garden at the rear, we would at least not be built in on three sides. Quite a rarity here in the big city. I am also willing to pay a little more or hope that there is still room for negotiation. They seemed (yeah yeah, not without reason :) ) unable to get rid of it.

We also have such a plot and have been living in it for 5 years. The house is built/glued stone by stone, all the lines run under the construction road and current access - by the way also in Pankow.

Oh, how cool. Do you still remember how much you had to pay approximately for the internal development? Was there a problem regarding access for the fire department?

Hello,

[…] The private road has to be paved anyway in order to later drive a car to the house. The construction road already provides this necessary base, so these are not double costs. Your civil engineer should place an inspection shaft at the street – which is needed anyway –, lay the drainage and eight (four per house) 75mm Kabuflex cables in the access path. This way you have everything you need and the utility providers only need to pull in their lines. It will cost only slightly more due to the cable lengths, but you save the enormous (multiple) earthworks of the utility providers.

If you like the property, the road would be the last thing to stop me from buying. Later you will save street cleaning fees because you only border with 3m (or even just 1.5m) width. And you have no obligation to clear snow on public roads and sidewalks. The house is protected away from traffic. And the children also have plenty of uses for a long straight driveway.

The Kabuflex thing is a great idea. I will look into it.

Yes, we’ll see. The costs don’t scare us at first. They just have to remain manageable for us. We have three girls who would like to continue practicing equestrian sports, for example, and would have little understanding if, due to unexpectedly high costs, we would have to put them back on wooden horses...

Note: Since two houses are accessed by the road (and then it becomes joint property?), you definitely should (must) coordinate with the neighbor.
- when will the development take place
- how will the development take place
- what should the road be like later
- when should the final construction be done
- in what quality, at what costs and how to agree beforehand

It would be really awkward, for example, if you build now and the neighbor only in five years. Would there then be a gravel road for five years? Would you already pay for a finished road and get the money back later from the neighbor who isn’t doing anything now? Etc.

Yes, these questions still need to be considered, thank you.

Was there a problem regarding access for the fire department?

In Berlin, there are no regulations for that, the fire department parks by the street and does everything with long hoses. They don’t drive the large vehicles into the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd courtyard in the city center and then up 5 floors.

Do you still know how much you had to pay approximately for the internal development?

less than 20k€, no gas (that alone would have cost 15k€), only water, sewage, telecommunications, electricity, and various private cables (gate and pathway power, socket, gate opener, video, intercom)