Buy an uninsulated house? Does it make sense?

  • Erstellt am 2019-11-25 09:55:10

Joedreck

2019-11-26 05:40:53
  • #1
He wants to express that the architects often think that the new windows are the cause when there is mold. But that is only indirectly true. Most of the time, forced ventilation is simply missing.
 

jansens

2019-11-26 08:21:30
  • #2
So in our specific case it is clear that a ventilation slot would be installed directly with new windows. Therefore, this is not a measure that has a positive impact on the energy balance.
 

dertill

2019-11-26 11:57:36
  • #3


Well, what year were the windows made? Probably 1980, when the extension was added, windows were often replaced then as well.
The U-value of these windows (glass) is about 3.0 W/m²K. New double glazing has 1.0 and triple glazing 0.6 W/m²K. Per m² window area, you save about 160 kWh/m² window per year by switching to double glazing, about 200 kWh/m² with triple glazing.

The ventilation losses of such old windows add to this, with new windows these are significantly lower. We have triple glazing in our old building, built in 1959, walls as existing. With a hygrometer in winter (<5°C outside) keep the indoor air always at 50% humidity and everything is fine. Works very well for us by ventilating in the morning and evening, that’s all it takes. Window rebate vents are just rubbish. If you want to be on the safe side, install decentralized fans with heat recovery in four locations and you will always have good air with few losses at reasonable additional costs.



The floor against the ground in this building age was usually done with 2 cm mineral wool (WLG 040) as impact sound insulation and decoupling for the floating screed. Usually, 5 cm cement screed with wire mesh reinforcement on top.
In bathrooms and entrance areas, the floating screed was often omitted and done completely without insulation. Due to the available build-up height and connections (doors and stairs), you cannot build higher there either and consequently cannot achieve more insulation with a classic screed. Tiles are not an option there, it becomes ice cold and parquet in the living area is not really comfortable.

If you want to renovate anyway: Remove the entire screed on the ground floor (!) and instead of screed lay 5 cm PUR floor insulation boards (WLG 028) or resol hard foam (WLG 023) or glue them with PUR insulation board adhesive. On top of that, lay 2-3 XPS boards with glass fiber cement coating (building boards, Wedi boards, Jacko boards) and tile directly or glue parquet on them.
You don’t need impact sound insulation on the ground floor without a basement.

A floor heating system can also be milled directly into the mentioned building boards. More details can be found on the Wedi manufacturer page. For that, you have to use at least 3 cm Wedi boards. You can also only use the XPS boards, but their WLG is worse than PUR and unevenness compensation of the floor slab is easier over two layers.


That would not have been usual anymore in 1960 anyway. If clinker, it was placed directly in front of the load-bearing wall since the late 1950s and only set with mortar joint directly in front of the wall.

For a 1960s settlement house, exterior wall insulation can even pay off financially and also improve comfort. These houses were very different regarding the quality of exterior walls and therefore also the U-value. Anything between 1.5 and 0.5 W/m²K was included. The wall thickness already gives some indication. How thick is the wall?
 

Pinky0301

2019-11-26 12:42:45
  • #4

Sorry to the OP, but I have to ask out of my own interest. We also want to switch to underfloor heating and need insulation underneath. Can I lay insulation, put boards on top, and then mill the underfloor heating into those?
 

Pinkiponk

2019-11-26 14:56:16
  • #5
Could you please explain why window rebate ventilators are rubbish? I ask because we have lived with them for years/decades and are so enthusiastic about them that we want to have them in our newly built house as well. So far, we have not noticed any disadvantages, which is why your information would be helpful to us.
 

Lumpi_LE

2019-11-26 16:04:22
  • #6
They are certainly not stupid, just extremely energy inefficient and depend on the wind and pressure conditions. A controlled residential ventilation system is better, but you have to spend a few euros more for it.
 

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