Assessment of offer, description of construction services

  • Erstellt am 2023-06-02 12:02:53

hanse987

2023-06-03 12:26:36
  • #1
Are 5 network sockets enough for you, of which 4 are simple ones?

Personally, that's too few for me. At least make the simple sockets double sockets.

What about the other end of the network cables? Do they go to a patch panel and get tested, or are the cables hanging loose somewhere from the ceiling?

Where are network sockets allowed to be placed? Also on the ceiling for the access points.

What comes at the front door? A simple doorbell or a video/intercom system? Cables are needed there as well.

Power to the garage or parking space for the wallbox? Don’t forget data cables.
 

ypg

2023-06-03 13:55:45
  • #2
What kind of first post is that in a forum? Can’t it be written in complete sentences? There are significant “necessary data” missing, namely the construction service description! This is an offer, and the construction service description explicitly belongs to it. It certainly refers to individual materials and sizes or an offer from the sample center. And then an expert or another construction guy can gladly review the whole thing for a small fee in the three-digit range (3-500€). And what is not included, you order separately if you want it, be it concealed fittings or a larger tub. It’s up to everyone what they want outside the builder’s standard program or equipment level.
 

11ant

2023-06-03 14:02:21
  • #3
I always find it a pity when questioners open up in such a way

refusing to hear relevancies before the comma, and even repulsive in the way

as if they expect to be washed without getting wet. I am then regularly successfully driven away concerning the questioners themselves, but still want to 2. express my admiration to those answering, for bravely fighting their way through the two notice boards of the opening post anyway; and 1. give the readers along the way that an ACTIVE request for an offer is always decidedly more fruitful and energy-saving than passively comparing offers or construction service descriptions with each other or, as here, only putting the favorite offer under the microscope and inviting it to a public cross-examination. By way of an example taken up in an answer

it is illustrated that an active engagement with the topic of construction service descriptions is well anchored in the reflection on "where does the requirements and/or wish profile of my family differ from that of the Müllermeier Schulzes, on whose average a standard construction service description is patched together?". WE certainly don’t know if the OP in their question only communicates “the (supposedly complete) necessary,” and is moreover as a newbie completely an empty sheet to the community. YOU basically can’t work that way, therefore again repeated my admiration for those who try anyway.
 

kati1337

2023-06-03 18:18:27
  • #4

That's a good point. What is not explicitly mentioned as "included" I would not expect, especially given the rest of the scope mentioned here. The issue with the other end of the network cables is a pitfall that we even fell for with an otherwise rather high-priced competitor who actually has a fundamentally solid scope of work description.
For that, we would have had to pay expensive extra charges, and the surprising alternative in our case was really that they left a cable bundle the thickness of Hulk Hogan’s thighs hanging from the ceiling. We actually gave feedback back then that this was not so easy to deduce from the otherwise very clear scope of work description (everything expected on the client side was actually named as client-side).

I would also take another look at 50 sockets on the plan to see if that is enough for 150 sqm. It can be done, but it won’t be very comfortable. Just plan them out and see where you would end up. Don’t forget hallways/staircases etc. either.
 

11ant

2023-06-03 21:54:30
  • #5

At the "other side of the network cables," the general contractors assume an IAD of the Fritzbox & Co type, if they even think about it at all. They generally have zero clue about network topology and imagine the wiring like electrical lighting wiring as a common rail. Information like "we both work full-time remotely" is at best interpreted as "two people in this house check emails," but never as latency-free expected terabits ;-)

What had you expected?
 

kati1337

2023-06-03 22:04:17
  • #6
We had expected (albeit naively) that the cables would be patched and come out on a patch panel, on which the labels would indicate which cable belongs to which room. Instead, it was somehow smeared on the cables themselves with a marker, and partly hard to read. Assigning dozens of LAN cables to the correct rooms by trial and error is mildly annoying. :D Edit: The cables were completely raw. My husband then taught himself to crimp via YouTube. (he did a good job).
 

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