Are the costs justified?

  • Erstellt am 2016-06-08 21:40:36

MarcWen

2016-06-09 22:16:18
  • #1


We are at 120cm soil exchange at ~28K Euro, well, there are a few more cbm due to the footprint.



Not every soil is suitable for this; when clay is involved, just get rid of it quickly.



Yes, this won’t be the last setback.
 

Payday

2016-06-09 22:27:40
  • #2


with cellar, transport and disposal? We also had 110cm and came to 5500€ additional costs. We spread the soil on the property, part of it was later taken by the garden landscaper to neighbors who had too little.



At 28,000€ just for a bit of earth digging, I would seriously consider whether you shouldn't just re-bury the small amount of clay anyway and just put 10-15cm of nice soil on top. Easily saves 15-20,000 of your 28,000€ and has no real disadvantages. Everyone has to decide for themselves in the end, but for 20,000€ you can also do the whole garden instead of just some new soil.
 

Peanuts74

2016-06-10 06:04:36
  • #3


I did not say that I share this opinion!

As far as filling is concerned, I am in turn of the opinion that it is OFTEN, not always, nonsense to keep the excavated soil. Very often the excavated soil cannot be used for backfilling because it cannot be properly compacted. Therefore, no general advice should be given here along the lines of "just backfill with the excavated soil, that saves money." If the OP then has to redo the terrace three times in the next 10 years because it keeps settling, they surely won’t be happy to have saved a few thousand euros beforehand that they have to spend gradually later and constantly have another construction site in their garden!
 

Peanuts74

2016-06-10 06:19:56
  • #4
Should that mean 120m³ or 120 cm (depth?), then it would be almost 150m³?
No matter what, if I calculate with 150m³, then at a high estimate of 20.-€/m³ for excavation and removal including landfill, that comes to 3000.- €
150 m³ of gravel costs about 6000.- € plus, say, 2 man-days (highly estimated) for compaction. That brings me to about 10000.- €. If you pay almost 30000.- € for that, either there is something wrong with the soil (rock, contaminated soil???) or you are being massively ripped off.

One more comment on backfilling, I recently had to dig a hole about 1m deep, which I then filled with the excavated material. Even though I kept tamping down the soil in between, the ground at that spot has already settled about 10 cm in around 2 months.

@PD, do you really want to recommend "universally" using the excavated material for backfilling? I can hardly believe that! I would rather talk to the trusted deep foundation contractor!!! not to the one with dollar signs in his eyes, he has a bit more experience there.
 

T21150

2016-06-10 07:59:50
  • #5


Yes – these earth and civil engineering works: I also experienced one surprise after another. Bergisch slate slabs that were not mentioned in any report. Rocks, etc. And the connection costs were also enormously high (means >> planned). Some neighbors who built with basements were hit even worse (simply over 40K *more* costs for ground works in the area of "do we have to blast or hammer" (it was hammered for 1.5 weeks with extremely heavy equipment)). The poor people had it even worse afterwards: the inspection shaft was incorrectly placed 3 times and had to be redone each time: another +15K. That’s how even rich people become poor.

At least the municipal utilities finally coordinated the Telekom routing.

I was able to compensate a little: excavation went to a construction company in the neighborhood – saved me a few thousand and only cost a bit of negotiation with the site management next door and a day of a truck for 600 euros.

Well: As a construction expert wrote about the costs here... that is all correct. For me it was also Pain Point #1. More pain points followed and in the end everything was 32K euros more expensive than planned. I was extremely desperate at the time but I didn’t die from it, the house stands, we still live.

The planning mistake regarding height: very annoying. I am not a lawyer. So I can hardly give advice here. Do you have your planning wishes documented in writing? That would be good; then you first have to find the person responsible and they must admit their fault. I consider that difficult. However, *suitable* (LAGA-0!) fill material is comparatively cheap or often nearly free. Moreover, a good fill-soil layer underneath the topsoil is almost never a mistake, but the opposite. I think that is not your problem item.

Please don’t drive yourselves crazy now. Construction is happening – and sometimes it’s damn nerve-racking. Take care of your nerves. Compensate where you can. I had to do that extremely as well; I am happy to give you advice via PM in individual cases.

Best regards
Thorsten
 

Payday

2016-06-10 08:54:45
  • #6


sorry, who on earth does such things????? first you tell me to spend a fortune on soil, then you start botching in the next step? all paved areas - if you really want to do it properly! - must be backfilled frost-proof with 80cm of gravel! the excavated soil from the house is spread in the garden for the lawn etc... no special conditions are needed except of course for the disturbing stones. for saved 10,000€ you can also spend 2-3 afternoons raking stones

of course you should talk to your earthworker, but he’s not impartial and wants to make money. he will always tell you that other soil is better (which is true, as it is sieved without stones etc...). but is it worth it and above all, do you have the 10,000+ euros for it?! if of course there is only junk in it, you have to replace it at some point, but not because of 2-3 pieces of clay and a few stones.
 

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