Architect cost estimation experiences?

  • Erstellt am 2024-05-04 14:17:08

Gerddieter

2024-05-04 22:20:53
  • #1
Ah now I also read the remarks – all woodchip wallpaper with paint.... no way. Otherwise, he rather calculated a lower-end finish (plastic door, etc.)..
 

Benutzer225

2024-05-04 23:08:42
  • #2
Thank you very much for the many responses so far.

Regarding the questions asked so far:

The architect will be able to explain to you in detail upon your inquiry how he arrived at the individual trade prices
--> He cannot do that in detail. He calculated it using a program (a tool recommended by the Chamber of Architects) and came up with over €900,000. He then recalculated manually and arrived at a value of over €800,000. He himself is surprised that the total costs are so high and cannot explain this.

A corresponding, detailed preliminary design planning (LPH 2) - already with quantity determination (partial service LPH 6) - assumed.
--> If a quantity determination is only provided in service phase 6, we do not have it yet.

How many m² of heated net floor area/living area are to be converted in your existing building?
--> It is an increase in area from 116 m² to approx. 170 m².

Will the floor plans change significantly/will the statics be affected?
--> Yes, among other things, we are planning two extensions where load-bearing walls have to be moved. In addition, the old load-bearing walls must be supported by steel beams and columns.

Will the roof structure be completely renewed/will the roof be expanded?
--> Yes, the roof will be supplemented by two dormers. However, the architect did not plan to renew the roof structure because he assumes the roof can be preserved. However, we know of an identical house where the entire roof had to be renewed because the rafters were too thin and the roof would not support the dormers. So it is quite certain that the costs of a new roof will be added. This fact unsettles us additionally.

How large is the planned new building (net floor area/living area)
--> The living area after the conversion would be approx. 170 m².

New construction/construction within an existing building has become significantly more expensive in the last 3 years. It is not without reason that your architect rightly added the note "without inflation surcharge during the planning and construction period" at the end of his cost estimate. Construction costs arise from the size/condition of the property, the wishes of the client, and labor and material prices over which the architect has no influence.
--> That is certainly all correct. However, in our opinion, costs of over €800,000 are still clearly too high for these conversion works. You can get a complete new building elsewhere for that. Especially since we indicated a benchmark of €500,000 and were not warned at any point that costs were currently significantly overshooting the target. Furthermore, we have been in planning since February already.
 

Benutzer225

2024-05-04 23:12:11
  • #3
These are conversion measures from 116 sqm to 170 sqm
 

Benutzer225

2024-05-04 23:14:29
  • #4
According to the architect’s statement, he had calculated with a medium quality finish.
 

Benutzer225

2024-05-04 23:19:24
  • #5
The architect will be able to explain to you in detail, upon your inquiry, how he arrived at the individual trade prices --> He cannot do this in detail. He calculated it using a program (a tool recommended by the Chamber of Architects) and arrived at over €900,000. Then he recalculated manually and came up with a figure above €800,000. He himself is surprised that the total costs are so high and cannot explain them. An appropriate, detailed preliminary design planning (LPH 2) – already with quantity determination (partial service LPH 6) – assumed. --> If quantity determination is only provided in service phase 6, we do not have it yet. How many m² of heated net floor area/living space are to be renovated in your existing building? --> This involves an enlargement of the area from 116 m² to about 170 m². Will the floor plans be heavily altered/will there be interventions in the structural engineering? --> Yes, we are planning, among other things, two extensions where load-bearing walls have to be relocated. Moreover, the old load-bearing walls must be supported by steel beams and columns. Will the roof structure be completely renewed/will the roof be expanded? --> Yes, the roof will be supplemented by two dormers. However, the architect has not planned a renewal of the roof structure because he believes the roof can be preserved. However, we know from a similar house that the entire roof had to be renewed because the rafters were too thin and the roof would not support the dormers. So it is quite certain that the costs of a new roof will be added. This fact unsettles us additionally. How large is the planned new building (net floor area/living space)? --> The living space after the renovation would be about 170 m². New construction/renovation of existing buildings has become significantly more expensive in the last 3 years. It is not without reason that your architect correctly added the note "without inflation surcharge during the planning and construction period" at the end of his cost estimate. Construction costs arise from the size/condition of the property, the wishes of the client, and the labor and material prices over which the architect has no influence. --> That is certainly all true. However, in our opinion, costs of over €800,000 are still clearly too high for these renovation works. You can get a complete new building elsewhere for that. Especially since we had given a target figure of €500,000 and were not informed even once in between that the costs were significantly overshooting the target. Besides, we have already been planning since February.
 

Benutzer225

2024-05-04 23:22:26
  • #6


The architect will be able to explain to you in detail upon your inquiry how he arrived at the individual trade prices
--> He actually cannot explain it in detail. He calculated it with a program (a tool recommended by the Chamber of Architects) and came up with over €900,000. He then recalculated manually and arrived at a value of over €800,000. He himself is surprised that the total costs are so high and cannot explain them.

An appropriate, detailed preliminary design planning (Lph 2) - already with quantity determination (partial service LPH 6) - provided.
--> If quantity determination is only provided in phase 6, we do not have it yet.

How many m2 of heated net floor area/living space are to be converted in your existing building?
--> It involves an increase in area from 116 m² to approximately 170 m².

Will the floor plans be changed significantly/will the structural integrity be affected?
--> Yes, we are planning, among other things, two extensions where load-bearing walls need to be relocated. In addition, the old load-bearing walls have to be supported by steel beams and columns.

Will the roof structure be completely renewed/will the attic be converted?
--> Yes, the roof will be supplemented by two dormers. However, the architect has not planned for a renewal of the roof structure because he believes the roof can be preserved. However, we know from an identical house that the entire roof had to be renewed because the rafters are too thin and the roof would not support the dormers. So it is quite certain that the costs of a new roof will be added. This fact additionally unsettles us.

How large is the planned new building (net floor area/living space)
--> The living space after the conversion would be about 170 m².

New construction/building in existing structures has become significantly more expensive in the last 3 years. It is not for nothing that your architect rightly added the note "without inflation surcharge during the planning and construction period" at the end of his cost estimate. The construction costs arise from the size/condition of the property, the wishes of the client(s), and the wage and material prices, over which the architect has no influence.
--> That is certainly all true. However, in our opinion, costs of over €800,000 are still clearly too high for this conversion work. You can get a complete new build elsewhere for that. Especially since we had given a benchmark of €500,000 and at no point in between were we informed even in a single word that the costs are currently significantly surpassing the target. Besides, we have been in planning since February already.
 

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