Architect --> Agreements? What is that?

  • Erstellt am 2013-10-24 12:24:54

Der Da

2013-10-24 15:09:13
  • #1
Everyone gets what they pay for. Whoever saves too much pays twice... I at least hope that it was very cheap.
 

Bauexperte

2013-10-24 15:14:44
  • #2
Hello,


copy & paste ...

You have had little contact with warning lawyers so far; I keep my fingers crossed that it stays that way.

Rhineland greetings
 

Bauexperte

2013-10-24 15:27:23
  • #3
Hello,

sometimes I am speechless at the naivety here on the forum and I get the suspicion that someone is operating here with different identities to stir things up...


That is okay so far - however, it must also be specified which materials are used.


There still is the VOB and the Building Code.


That depends...


It was initially wrong to accept the contract as it happened! In cooperation with an architect, you do not initially need a contract - the moment you verbally asked him to coordinate the interior construction, a legally valid contract for his architectural services came into existence.

It is different with the awarding of trades => contract for work. Here the architect acts as general contractor; with all liability. But that does not mean he can have the cheapest materials used ... unless the sum at the bottom right leaves no other option :confused:

Since nobody here knows the exact proceedings or the contract for work and, as said, legal advice is excluded: find a lawyer specialized in construction and contract law. Take what documents you have with you and clarify your options with him.

Rhenish greetings
 

ypg

2013-10-24 16:50:50
  • #4
The headline is, in my opinion, somewhat wrong and misleadingly chosen. If you build with an architect, then there is no contract for work, but the HOAI table (or am I wrong?). They do the tenders for the trades and so on. As a client, you probably still do the sampling yourself. Of course, an architect can also act as a general contractor or general contractor with subcontractors. But then it is this company with which you enter into a contract for work. They then build a turnkey house for you... according to the construction service description. And in this part of the house comes this heating system from company X and the sanitary installations from company Y. In case of changes, in my opinion, you have to inform correspondingly early: Hello, it shall not be X installed, I want Z. Counting is what is in the contract: Y or according to the client’s sampling. Cheap general contractors/subcontractors may possibly not take the client’s wishes for the technology into account, because the type house Sabrina simply works as a KfW House 70 exactly in this constellation with heating x and window sizes such and such. Changes mean extra effort, but who wants to pay for that? The higher the price segment of the general contractor/subcontractor (the word architect is left out in this question), the more flexible, the more choice and options you have. At least that was the impression I had from home builders and providers when we had gathered information. Although Mr. Viebrockhaus would certainly have been upset if he was not allowed to install his super-duper technology that he advertises, but something else. Do you actually have the right to sample??? I do not know what is in our construction service description now... Is that fixed somewhere? But I think if you agree to a turnkey house, then you also agree to the philosophy of the general contractor/subcontractor - and they have their usual technology (heating and co.) as well as their trade companies with whom they primarily work and (hopefully) achieve good results :)
 

€uro

2013-10-25 08:53:19
  • #5
quite a few builders complain here about sometimes significantly excessive consumption costs.

v.g.
 

fragri

2013-10-25 09:26:16
  • #6


Exactly... and with that we also confronted the aforementioned Mr. V. in a consultation... of course, he wanted to know nothing about all of that :p... Afterwards, we determined for ourselves that building with a general contractor/general entrepreneur who dictates the technology and execution is not for us...

Regards, Fragi
 

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