Additional costs for residential units

  • Erstellt am 2021-07-03 19:31:42

Tassimat

2021-07-05 21:58:59
  • #1
Addendum:

If you really want to promote the child's autonomy, then add €500 on top of the pocket money so they can rent their own apartment. How long does the training or study period last? Maybe 5 years? Your attic conversion will cost more.
 

Felix85

2021-07-05 22:26:33
  • #2

Alright, that makes sense.
And yes. I really thought the fire department would go anywhere to rescue someone from a window. I didn’t realize the escape route has to face the street (although it’s not yet clear where the street will end up). Sure, very foolish. How could I have done that.


Yes, maybe it will be that way. Maybe not. For me, this is the beginning of a process, not the end, just because my first idea failed with you all. I have learned quite a bit, still have a lot to learn, let’s see what comes out in the end. The main thing is that my family feels comfortable with the result afterwards. And either way, there is still a lot of work ahead of us. For everything else, my perfectionist streak is also too strong :D

Maybe I made the mistake of getting involved here too early. A greenhorn who just has ideas and wanted to exchange them in a friendly atmosphere. I didn’t read enough in the forum before, otherwise I would have known beforehand what the climate here is like. Basically, it would probably have been best if I had perfectly informed myself first, then showed up here and... oh. Then I wouldn’t even need to be here ;) Well... that was of course exaggerated.
I’ll write a bit more about that below. You personally are not to blame for anything. I thank you for your contributions. They helped me in many places and made me aware of my mistakes without sounding arrogant or dismissive. Where I am from, that was always a given. Here, not. Therefore I can only say (even if it probably means nothing to you), keep it up. For me one of the bright spots in this forum. This also goes to all others who act supportively here in the forum and can give constructive criticism, even if a user has ideas that would never ever occur to them.


Okay, that probably sums up the local attitude. And there is no point in trying hard here to seek a sober, friendly exchange of opinions if in the end you only get jokes and statements like "the floor plan is not debatable." Sorry, the forum overall has a rather dubious level, in my impression from the last few days. I have surely made a thousand mistakes in the previous plans and my ideas are certainly anything but ordinary or mainstream. But it would have been nice if one could have discussed them neutrally and at least engaged in some thought experiments. So rather asking oneself, "how might such a concept actually be possible?" instead of just playing "I’m smart, you’re dumb, do as I say or be the victim of my disparagement."
There are certainly people here who, regardless of whether or not they share opinions, give neutral and factual tips and advice (e.g. many thanks to and ) and that is a fine thing.
Unfortunately, there are also others (dominant in number of posts), who act condescendingly, arrogantly and sarcastically. You can do that. But then you also do your part to exclude (personally unwanted) opinions (i.e. limit diversity of opinion) and drive away inexperienced users who have the audacity to have their own ideas, for example out of ignorance, prematurely.

I myself administered an internet forum for a longer period and was a moderator there for several years. Behavior like here would never have been allowed (because it simply would not have been accepted by the community), no matter how many thousands of posts you had. But that is always a question of the community and how it is socialized. Especially the frequent posters and longtime members of a forum are in my opinion the ones who significantly shape and preserve the climate and mood in the forum. And here it seems more like a small, tight-knit group of users with tens of thousands of posts passing the ball to each other to ridicule or insult people who are unwanted or uninformed. They don’t say "you ass," but one could even cope with that better. You’d know right away where you stand. The insinuations and subtle insults injected are basically even more exhausting and sneaky.
What’s sad: bickering, barbs and insults happen in every forum sometimes. Often the forum also suffers from ignorance and those skirmishes take center stage. But here actually a lot of experience is present (at least I still assume so), it’s just often not conveyed in a way that one can make use of it or only selectively and in small doses "granted." When you read statements like "many questions don’t change the facts," everything is basically said about the twisted orientation. Everyone has questions at the start, especially stupid ones. Mistakes are programmed in, especially with a complex topic like house construction. The question is not whether they are asked, but how one deals with them. There are environments where you "gladly" make mistakes and learn from them. And there are others where you are attacked for them and eventually get inhibited from speaking openly at all. For me, this climate is intentionally fostered here in parts. That is unfortunate and unnecessary and robs this entire platform of a large part of its potential.

But that is just my humble opinion. Especially the frequent posters here have arranged themselves with this kind of thing or even actively cultivated it. Maybe you also think you are doing someone a favor. Then take it from a greenhorn who can only judge by first impression: you are not. Or you fall far short of what a little more neutrality or even kindness could achieve.

Alright then! Stay healthy and always build solid :)
 

Tarnari

2021-07-05 23:44:17
  • #3

I know exactly what you mean. And yes, it is really a shame. When you’ve been around for a while, you learn that some people are special but valuable and support in their own special way. Others, on the other hand, are so convinced of themselves… really a shame.
Keep at your thing. Maybe you’ll find it works. Maybe not. Then just differently.

If you want, stay loyal to this forum. It’s worth it.
Edit: the majority is really nice.
 

hanghaus2000

2021-07-05 23:44:24
  • #4
Why exactly did I expect that? A OP who has known everyone here for so many years provokes such a post.
 
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