Your opinion: Is TEUR 370 financing feasible?

  • Erstellt am 2013-11-04 10:43:41

sw1008

2013-11-04 10:43:41
  • #1
We are a family of four with 2 small children. I am a civil servant, soon for life. Salary increases over the next few years through step advancements. Available net income €3800, my wife is not working yet, part-time is planned, she is an academic. However, we are planning more children (at least 1-2).

We want to build in the countryside, in the greater Cologne area, and have an option on a plot of land. Our plot of land would be self-financed from real estate sales and a parental grant.

We are planning a townhouse of about 180-200 sqm in size, the costs for this would be around €370,000.

From your experience: is such a project feasible in our situation without having to subordinate your whole life to the repayment rate and still having enough room to live (vacation, food, utility costs, culture, reserves)?

Will it be significantly cheaper if you build smaller? What space requirements do you see with 4 children?
 

perlenmann

2013-11-04 11:46:53
  • #2
Just roughly, it is always said that for every 100000€ a rate of 500€ applies, which would already be almost 2000€ for you. 1800€ for 6 people will probably be tight. Please don't forget, small children are definitely much cheaper than teenagers. Smaller is of course also cheaper, but for 6 people 160m² is definitely necessary if it’s without a basement.
 

f-pNo

2013-11-04 11:49:39
  • #3
Hello sw1008,

the first question I have about this: Will there be any equity left after the land purchase? Do you need to finance the entire 370,000 EUR?

If I base it on the flat rate of 1,500 euros / sqm, you come to a price of about 300,000 EUR for the city villa at 200 sqm. Thus, with the planned 370,000 EUR, there would be 70,000 EUR left for additional costs, etc.

If the entire 370,000 EUR needs to be financed, you should assume an annuity (interest + repayment) of about 6%. Then you will be done after 25 - 28 years. At 6%, a monthly payment of 1,850 - 1,900 euros is expected.
For monthly incidental costs for the house, one usually assumes 2.50 euros/sqm. That means an additional 500 euros for 200 sqm.

That means with your income of 3,800 euros it could be feasible. About 1,400 euros remain for living expenses. Whether this is enough for you, you have to decide for yourself. Banks often calculate with flat rates. For example, living expenses 700 euros for the first person and 200 euros each for every additional person.
You should leave your (part-time) wife's salary out of the calculation, as it is not continuously available due to the additional desire to have children. If it comes in, you should use it for special repayments.

Maybe you should wait for your lifetime civil servant status – a big plus with the bank.
How high is the risk of reassignment for you? This is said to happen more often with civil servants (I can remember an officer from my circle of acquaintances who was stationed at 3 different locations in 10 years).

Children cost money – real money. Since you already have two, you surely know that. Accordingly, you can roughly calculate how much two more little ones will burden you. Does your income still cover the 1,900 euro installment + 500 euro incidental costs?

Regarding the space requirements for two more children, I cannot tell you. As a rough estimate, I would assume – 2 more children's rooms of 15 sqm each + children's bathroom (for all 4).
Consider whether you want to build your city villa not with the classic tent roof but with an expandable gable roof. Then you can add an extension and create additional living space when the time comes. The appearance may be a bit unusual, but considering future planning, it might be more practical.

That’s all from me for now. Surely others will have something to add.

Best regards
f-pNo
 

sw1008

2013-11-04 12:50:42
  • #4


In general, it should also be noted that due to the progression of the family allowance, my income including child benefit rises to 4238€ with the 3rd child and 4610€ with the 4th.
 

sw1008

2013-11-04 13:29:26
  • #5


The €3,800 is current net income, with 4 kids it is then €4,620 including child benefits
 

f-pNo

2013-11-04 14:07:58
  • #6


The idea of the reserves is good and right. But in my opinion, €1,300 per month will not be enough.

Let's roughly calculate: 1,300 x 12 months = 15,600 per year x 100 / 370,000 = 4.216% annuity

With long-term fixed interest (I assume 15 years), the interest rate will probably be over 3%, depending on your equity (paid land + possibly additional capital + personal contributions). (The amount of equity determines the loan-to-value ratio)

Thus, you only have about 1% repayment included in your annuity.

1. According to a financial advisor, many banks currently hesitate to grant financing with only 1% repayment. Reason: after the fixed interest period, a very high sum remains, which at then significantly increased interest rates would carry a high default risk.
2. The term of such a loan (even with a similar extension interest rate) will be significantly over 40 years (I'm too lazy to calculate with Excel right now). I don't know your age, but I wouldn't want to pay off a loan after 70. The lower the interest rate, the smaller the "reverse compound interest effect."

A solution, if the bank accepts such a low repayment, would be regular (annual) repayments via special repayments. However, this requires a lot of self-discipline in the long term and no "unusual incidents."

By the way – the bank often only considers the current situation. That means, if you do not explicitly mention your desire for additional children and the fact that your wife wants to go back to work soon, the loan should be approved (provided the bank accepts the low repayment).

It is really tough. Actually, your conditions look really good. If your wife would go back to work, even very good. But the desire for children (3rd and 4th) could still cause you problems. And this in a country that should actually be happy when couples decide to have more children. :mad:
 

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