Which sensors for what? Inspiration

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guckuck2

2020-04-29 12:58:30
  • #1


Normally you need two phases (in/out or motor rotation direction) and the suitable actuator would be a shutter actuator. For awnings with valance, correspondingly more.

But since phases are missing here – not even one dedicated to the distribution board or central actuator – the retrofit option would be to position a decentralized flush-mounted actuator at the awning. The awning is then connected to this actuator, which in turn uses the one existing phase (with continuous power) to supply voltage to the awning. Switching the actuator is then still the problem. If, as mycraft suggested, you had temporarily laid KNX at all corners of the house, a flush-mounted actuator could be easily realized there and connected to the bus. If there is no KNX cable there, a wireless solution with the appropriate gateway to KNX remains.
 

RomeoZwo

2020-04-29 13:37:07
  • #2
for my case already had the simplest solution, which will also be implemented (WMS transmitter to free KNX actuator in the distribution board).

In my opinion, the correct solution (task for the electrician) would have been 2 phases from the distribution board to the awning. Since this is missing, there are/would be several makeshift solutions:
- 1 phase in the control cabinet, since the awning supports UP / STOP / DOWN (not available)
- KNX bus cable at the motor for UP actuator (not available)
- WMS transmitter UP (in the control cabinet, being implemented)

My statement to the OP was that if all consumers are individually wired with the necessary number of phases in the distribution board, a bus cable at the consumers is actually not necessary. Of course, if something is forgotten/sloppily done, a bus cable near the consumers can certainly help. But running a separate bus cable to each(!) consumer is also quite an effort.
 

Tarnari

2020-04-29 14:40:22
  • #3




Many thanks for the explanations

And many thanks for the explanations on the topic "cables".
One more question: assuming we don’t lay bus cable everywhere, do I still have options later on to make an otherwise completely normal socket switchable?

I also have a question about push-buttons. The goal is, of course, to install as few as possible, but you probably can’t do without them completely if you assume that at the beginning not everything is perfectly parameterized and you still operate one or another function manually by button until the project is gradually extended with scenes.
Now there are thousands of possibilities. Assuming for simplicity’s sake here, let’s limit ourselves to the MDT range. Unfortunately, I’m not allowed to link, so I have to try to describe as precisely as possible.
Let’s take the “Glastaster II Smart” and the “Glasbedienzentrale Smart” for example. I still don’t fully understand what I use how. Do I understand correctly that the Glastaster is primarily a push-button for lighting, shading, scenes, etc., and the Bedienzentrale is basically a control device for the house? Even if that is correct, I still haven’t quite understood what I can do with one and not with the other and vice versa. And, if I had both, would I use them independently or in combination?
 

RomeoZwo

2020-04-29 14:51:30
  • #4

Only if this socket is connected to its own phase (L conductor). This must be planned during the installation. Often, non-switchable sockets in a room share a common L conductor, at least those that are "along the way". If you have a bus cable (KNX) at the socket, you can switch it with a flush-mounted actuator. For the one solution, you need an additional phase; for the other, a KNX bus cable and a flush-mounted actuator (approx. €60).
 

Mycraft

2020-04-29 15:37:51
  • #5

As RomeoZwo already said, you need a separate phase all the way to the distributor. I always recommend connecting the sockets per room with a 5x1.5 NYM cable, so you always have three phases in the room and can easily rewire and make the sockets switchable later if needs change.

Usually, it goes like this: you leave one phase permanently powered and connect the non-switchable sockets there, and the other two phases are connected as needed. Plan for deep boxes and it will work out.

If the three phases are ever not enough, the bus cable comes into play and you can additionally use an embedded actor.


Operates the usual consumers, heating, etc. Simply has integrated logics. Has 6 touch surfaces.


Is to be seen as a supplement to the Glastaster. Has additional logics, code lock, timers, etc. integrated. But only has 4 touch surfaces as well.

Haven't had it in my hands yet, so no guarantee.
 

Tarnari

2020-04-29 15:54:39
  • #6


If I see that correctly, one of the main advantages is probably that the device can send holidays to the bus, for example, and calculated sunrise or sunset times, as well as a timer that can be sent to the bus.
Do you need something like that? Or how have you solved such things?
Our electrician wants to install two of them, one in the hallway of the upper and lower floors.
 

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