Termination of basement construction contract - experiences?

2023-02-03 22:12:57

I still find the whole construct a bit confusing. Why doesn’t the architect make an execution plan, according to which the basement builder just has to build?

If you quit now, the next basement builder will have the same problems. Or you find a basement builder who doesn’t care at all and cobbles something together that only causes problems later. I think it’s good when executing companies directly point out problems instead of just botching it.

I also find the objection about the heating very justified. What is your assessment of the accusations?

If I were the basement builder, I would also refuse to make an execution plan based on sloppy plans.

2023-02-03 22:37:31

Difficult to have everyone at one table: house builder in Berlin, cellar builder in the Palatinate, architect in Lübeck…..

Sorry, but these are already ingredients for chaos and disaster...

2023-02-04 01:03:43

If there is an architect involved in the whole project, I also see her being responsible for the execution planning. And she should also be aware that the location of the heat generator must be included in the thermal envelope. Because this would be problematic in a basement and should be solved in the form of a decoupled zone "heating room," practically the entire basement must be included in the thermal envelope when placing the heating system in the basement. If the house manufacturer sees this differently, I can understand the impression of incompetence of the basement builder (and am reinforced in my fear that this problem would be passed on 1:1 to the next basement builder). If I understand you correctly, the house manufacturer does not comprehend this in connection with the fact that he otherwise does not build with basements. Then I see two possible solutions:
A) the heating room must be inside the house and swap places with another storage room; or
B) the heating room is placed separately above ground, for example by the carport.
In both variants, the basement may be outside the thermal envelope. The connections to the heating room (and ideally also the entire house connection room) must be rerouted accordingly; then practically only the wastewater disposal needs to break through the basement ceiling.
Of the three quarrelsome planning partners, at least one may now feel called upon to send me a thank you via PayPal ;-)

2023-02-04 07:22:32

Pay or sue. I would pay or try to negotiate down.

2023-02-04 08:48:58

If there is also an architect in the whole project, I also see the ball lying with her to make the execution plans. And she should also be clear that the installation location of the heat generator must be included in the thermal envelope. Because this would be problematic in a basement, solving it in the form of a decoupled zone "heating room," practically the entire basement must be included in the thermal envelope when the heating is located in the basement. If the house manufacturer sees this differently, I can understand the impression of incompetence of the basement builder (and it strengthens my fear that this problem would be passed on 1:1 to the next basement builder). If I understand you correctly, the house manufacturer does not understand this in connection with the fact that he otherwise does not build with basements. Then I see two possible solutions:
A) the heating room must be inside the house and swap its place with another storage room; or
B) the heating room is placed separately above ground, for example at the carport.
In both variants, the basement can be outside the thermal envelope. The connections to the heating room (and ideally also the entire house connection room) would have to be rerouted accordingly; through the basement ceiling practically only the wastewater disposals need to be broken through.
Of the three quarrelsome planning partners, at least one is welcome now to feel addressed and paypal me a thank you ;-)

The architect is the house builder’s, only additionally commissioned by us to also draw the basement for the building application.

Why shouldn’t a heating system be located outside the thermal envelope? The hot water tank and pipes are insulated, and the basement itself is also insulated. What is the difference compared to your variant B?

The basement is insulated but (officially) not heated. In fact, we want to later accommodate a hobby room/guest room in the "workshop" and also provide heating for cold days, as well as the adjacent bathroom.

2023-02-04 10:32:37

If there is also an architect in the whole project, I also see the ball lying with her to do the execution planning. And it should also be clear to her that the installation location of the heat generator must be included in the thermal envelope. Because this would be problematic in a basement, solving it in the form of a decoupled zone "heating room" means that practically the entire basement must be included in the thermal envelope when locating the heating in the basement. If the house manufacturer sees this differently, I can understand the impression of incompetence of the basement builder (and I feel confirmed in my fear that this problem would be passed on 1:1 to the next basement builder). If I understand you correctly, the house manufacturer does not grasp this in connection with the fact that he otherwise does not build with basements. Then I see two possible solutions:
A) the heating room must be inside the house and swap its place with another storage room; or
B) the heating room is placed separately above ground, for example at the carport.
In both variants, the basement can be outside the thermal envelope. The connections to the heating room (and ideally also the complete house connection room) would have to be relocated accordingly. Through the basement ceiling, practically only the wastewater disposal pipes would then be penetrated.
Of the three quarrelsome planning partners, at least one may now feel called to send me a thank you via PayPal ;-)

These are the formulations from which we did NOT infer that the housebuilding company should do the factory planning for the basement

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Termination of basement construction contract - experiences?

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