Rosema7
2020-09-29 17:29:11
- #1
Hello,
our shower trays are from a German brand manufacturer.
Selected, among other things, because they are floor-level and serviceable.
By "serviceable" I mean that - if we no longer like the shower tray in this color or if it is rather defective (crack / something fell in, etc.) - we could replace it more easily than with conventional installation. (said in layman's terms)
For this, one should (very simply described here) only install the shower trays after the screed has been laid.
Set up the feet of the shower trays, align, align the connections for the drain, etc.
Lay screed
Set shower trays
Tiles
This results in an almost seamless transition between tiles and shower tray.
And the shower tray can be removed more easily later if replacement is needed than if it is fixed firmly under the screed with the edge.
This was done with us (described simply):
Set feet + shower tray + drain etc.
Poured screed (which of course fixed the shower trays)
Laid tiles
But since the screed now comes out a bit higher (according to the sanitary company: the screed trade is to blame)
The tiles also come out higher
Now the cut edge of the tiles towards the shower tray is visible
Therefore, a stainless steel strip was placed around the tiles at the transition to the shower tray (walk-in).
This stainless steel strip is now 0.5 to 1 cm (towards the wall, it becomes this 1 cm) higher than the shower tray.
Guests who visit us always say: "That's great, at least nothing runs out of the shower tray."
But that is incorrect.
Because first, the shower tray is very large and second, it already has a slope,
so that nothing ever runs to the edges.
The visual result is not as desired (seamless transition tile/shower tray)
The manufacturer does not even know this kind of installation (when we asked at the time, but they are always very reserved - always referring to the sanitary company that installed it - but they certainly won't tell us what is correct).
We have withheld a larger amount because we did not agree with the installation of this shower tray as it is.
They would remove the tiles around the shower tray again, grind the screed lower and then re-tile next to the shower tray. We have this agreement in writing.
We should wait 1 year because of the "settling of the shower tray/floor".
Tiles of the same brand were withheld.
QUESTION:
The year will be up soon.
Would you do this / have it corrected?
Won't it make things worse?
If we leave it as it is, we definitely would not pay the withheld amount.
Especially since both (very expensive) shower trays were generally not installed as prescribed by the manufacturer in the assembly instructions: so they are no longer serviceable. (This "innovation" was, however, paid for in the price of the shower tray)
The sanitary company and also (unfortunately) the manufacturer say: There are no specifications. The assembly instructions are a guideline but not mandatory. Is that true?
You buy such material specially and then the sanitary company installs it in the conventional way because they probably have only installed standard until now and cannot do it otherwise.
Unfortunately, one is always wiser afterwards. If we had known before, we would have pointed it out, of course.
But with a master/trade company, you assume they know how to do it.
For us now important:
Do we want to have 3 trades (tiler, screed, and sanitary company) in the house again with the risk that something in the house (staircase, parquet, etc.) will be damaged and/or generally made worse around the shower tray?
Will these stainless steel strips rust over time?
So far, they look fine. But we fear they will eventually start to rust. They are around the shower and constantly exposed to moisture.
If we leave it as it is, we will not pay the withheld amount.
The sanitary company should then get this from the tiling + screed trades.
The sanitary company said they are not at fault.
But shouldn't the sanitary trade that installs the shower tray also be responsible for or check that everything is correctly prepared (in our case: the screed has the correct height, etc.) before the next trade (tiling) is done? Then a correction could have been done at the latest here.
We would also have a legal expenses insurance - if things go really badly, we will also clarify that the shower trays are no longer serviceable like this and this option for later was taken away from us.
There is still time. Due to the current situation, we will not have 3 trades in the house this year and certainly not until next year.
Therefore, we are informing ourselves whether a correction is even sensible.
Actually, we are no longer interested in this.
And the "serviceability" issue would also interest us how you see it.
Or also whether trades do not have to follow the manufacturer's assembly instructions, especially considering that this "serviceability" is a very special feature of the (expensive) shower trays.
Thank you very much for your help.
Rosemarie
our shower trays are from a German brand manufacturer.
Selected, among other things, because they are floor-level and serviceable.
By "serviceable" I mean that - if we no longer like the shower tray in this color or if it is rather defective (crack / something fell in, etc.) - we could replace it more easily than with conventional installation. (said in layman's terms)
For this, one should (very simply described here) only install the shower trays after the screed has been laid.
Set up the feet of the shower trays, align, align the connections for the drain, etc.
Lay screed
Set shower trays
Tiles
This results in an almost seamless transition between tiles and shower tray.
And the shower tray can be removed more easily later if replacement is needed than if it is fixed firmly under the screed with the edge.
This was done with us (described simply):
Set feet + shower tray + drain etc.
Poured screed (which of course fixed the shower trays)
Laid tiles
But since the screed now comes out a bit higher (according to the sanitary company: the screed trade is to blame)
The tiles also come out higher
Now the cut edge of the tiles towards the shower tray is visible
Therefore, a stainless steel strip was placed around the tiles at the transition to the shower tray (walk-in).
This stainless steel strip is now 0.5 to 1 cm (towards the wall, it becomes this 1 cm) higher than the shower tray.
Guests who visit us always say: "That's great, at least nothing runs out of the shower tray."
But that is incorrect.
Because first, the shower tray is very large and second, it already has a slope,
so that nothing ever runs to the edges.
The visual result is not as desired (seamless transition tile/shower tray)
The manufacturer does not even know this kind of installation (when we asked at the time, but they are always very reserved - always referring to the sanitary company that installed it - but they certainly won't tell us what is correct).
We have withheld a larger amount because we did not agree with the installation of this shower tray as it is.
They would remove the tiles around the shower tray again, grind the screed lower and then re-tile next to the shower tray. We have this agreement in writing.
We should wait 1 year because of the "settling of the shower tray/floor".
Tiles of the same brand were withheld.
QUESTION:
The year will be up soon.
Would you do this / have it corrected?
Won't it make things worse?
If we leave it as it is, we definitely would not pay the withheld amount.
Especially since both (very expensive) shower trays were generally not installed as prescribed by the manufacturer in the assembly instructions: so they are no longer serviceable. (This "innovation" was, however, paid for in the price of the shower tray)
The sanitary company and also (unfortunately) the manufacturer say: There are no specifications. The assembly instructions are a guideline but not mandatory. Is that true?
You buy such material specially and then the sanitary company installs it in the conventional way because they probably have only installed standard until now and cannot do it otherwise.
Unfortunately, one is always wiser afterwards. If we had known before, we would have pointed it out, of course.
But with a master/trade company, you assume they know how to do it.
For us now important:
Do we want to have 3 trades (tiler, screed, and sanitary company) in the house again with the risk that something in the house (staircase, parquet, etc.) will be damaged and/or generally made worse around the shower tray?
Will these stainless steel strips rust over time?
So far, they look fine. But we fear they will eventually start to rust. They are around the shower and constantly exposed to moisture.
If we leave it as it is, we will not pay the withheld amount.
The sanitary company should then get this from the tiling + screed trades.
The sanitary company said they are not at fault.
But shouldn't the sanitary trade that installs the shower tray also be responsible for or check that everything is correctly prepared (in our case: the screed has the correct height, etc.) before the next trade (tiling) is done? Then a correction could have been done at the latest here.
We would also have a legal expenses insurance - if things go really badly, we will also clarify that the shower trays are no longer serviceable like this and this option for later was taken away from us.
There is still time. Due to the current situation, we will not have 3 trades in the house this year and certainly not until next year.
Therefore, we are informing ourselves whether a correction is even sensible.
Actually, we are no longer interested in this.
And the "serviceability" issue would also interest us how you see it.
Or also whether trades do not have to follow the manufacturer's assembly instructions, especially considering that this "serviceability" is a very special feature of the (expensive) shower trays.
Thank you very much for your help.
Rosemarie