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2019-05-26 20:15:59
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Thank you very much for your feedback. There are already some good tips and points to ponder in there. Here are our responses:
You are right, the wall thicknesses are not correct yet; the planner's approach was to first put the room concept on paper. We will catch up on that as soon as the room layout is reasonably final. Whether this is the right or usual approach might be questioned. The planner said he usually does it that way anyway.
We have since said goodbye to that one because in the course of many talks with the builders and tradespeople we realized that the plan did not meet our expectations in many points. For example, the old plan had three floors, with the basement mainly intended for storage rooms and technology. The living area with the terrace was on the ground floor and about 2m above the garden. Also, on the upper floor there was a terrace (in front of the children's rooms) that we did not want (it resulted because the upper floor was planned smaller than the ground floor) and certainly would not have been used for years. The house was relatively narrow and quite long downhill (15m), which limited the room heights a lot. For example, in the large open living area, we only had 2.60 m! In hindsight, we probably let ourselves be "lulled" by the architect for too long before realizing that this was no longer "our" house. Additionally, we also found that despite the many compromises, the house was significantly over budget, which is why we pulled the emergency brake and went back to the start. Therefore, it no longer really makes sense for us to talk about the old plan.
Honestly, we don’t understand that. This large living-cooking-dining area was very important to us because it will be the heart of the house. Storage and hobby rooms can still be subdivided if necessary / reasonable. In the first approach, we prefer fewer large rooms rather than several small ones. Could you please specify your concerns here a bit more?
We agree with you – therefore our request: what and especially how could one optimize the design here?
We take the point about the glass wall as an option. In the worst case, such a glass wall could probably be retrofitted if it really turns out that the noise from the dining area bothers us. We like the idea of a wall with a window opening less.
Good point. We will take a look at it.
Our consideration was that we also store food here and therefore direct access from the kitchen area would be very practical. Especially in everyday life, groceries will probably first be placed on the kitchen island and from there stored in the fridge, cabinets, or this storage. What would you change here and why?
Thanks for the tip. This is indeed still an open discussion point for us where our opinions differ somewhat.
The planner already tried such an approach but did not find a nice solution. Very limiting on the plan-right side is, of course, the lack of possibility to provide "real" windows along the garage. We will bring this up with him again.
Actually, our approach was possibly to accommodate grandma in the office/guest room. Barrier-free access from the street would be given here. The room should also be pleasantly bright and thus suitable for a longer stay. We will still widen the doors to 90 cm. In principle, it would also be conceivable to repurpose the hobby room and expand the toilet into a full bathroom. However, here the staircase would definitely be a barrier. Which solution is "better" in the end probably also depends a bit on how mobile grandma will still be.
Then one will have to reluctantly think about a stairlift. The main staircase should definitely be wide enough for that.
This solution arose for two reasons: 1.) The idea of having the bedrooms on the entrance level did not appeal to us very much at first. The steps at least form a "small barrier" (even if only in the imagination) to the private sleeping area. 2.) Due to the ceiling drop, we create a higher room height in the living area without having to unnecessarily increase the height of the rear part of the house, which lies underground and where we don’t need the high room height. That reduces the required excavation a bit.
In principle, we would have liked the approach of a real split-level house (entrance level with guest room and guest bathroom on street level single-storey, then a two-storey building part each offset by half a floor – living area in the lower floor and private bedrooms in the upper floor). The planner, however, thought that the slope of the terrain would not be ideal for this, and the builder waved the cost cudgel, so we discarded this idea.
Both of us grew up in households where the toilet is in the bathroom. Especially in the morning, when all residents want to use the bathroom at the same time, separate rooms reduce a lot of stress. This is therefore a conscious decision, and we are willing to accept possible disadvantages.
We could take a few centimeters off both sides of the room to get from the current 107 cm (230 - 2 x 1.5 cm plaster - 2 x 60 cm cabinet) to e.g., 120 cm. Would that significantly improve the situation? Any better ideas?
Apparently, there are no load-bearing interior walls in this house.
You are right, the wall thicknesses are not correct yet; the planner's approach was to first put the room concept on paper. We will catch up on that as soon as the room layout is reasonably final. Whether this is the right or usual approach might be questioned. The planner said he usually does it that way anyway.
Then show us the plan to be canceled. If I understand correctly, it was also for this plot; and maybe we can find a better reinterpretation.
We have since said goodbye to that one because in the course of many talks with the builders and tradespeople we realized that the plan did not meet our expectations in many points. For example, the old plan had three floors, with the basement mainly intended for storage rooms and technology. The living area with the terrace was on the ground floor and about 2m above the garden. Also, on the upper floor there was a terrace (in front of the children's rooms) that we did not want (it resulted because the upper floor was planned smaller than the ground floor) and certainly would not have been used for years. The house was relatively narrow and quite long downhill (15m), which limited the room heights a lot. For example, in the large open living area, we only had 2.60 m! In hindsight, we probably let ourselves be "lulled" by the architect for too long before realizing that this was no longer "our" house. Additionally, we also found that despite the many compromises, the house was significantly over budget, which is why we pulled the emergency brake and went back to the start. Therefore, it no longer really makes sense for us to talk about the old plan.
In the garden floor, the few rooms get lost.
Honestly, we don’t understand that. This large living-cooking-dining area was very important to us because it will be the heart of the house. Storage and hobby rooms can still be subdivided if necessary / reasonable. In the first approach, we prefer fewer large rooms rather than several small ones. Could you please specify your concerns here a bit more?
The street floor itself looks like a labyrinth stuffed with little chambers.
We agree with you – therefore our request: what and especially how could one optimize the design here?
Now there is a half-height parapet planned on the upper floor .. possibly glass up to the ceiling there. But that will be expensive. Maybe one can try to let the staircase on the ground floor end with a spiral to the left according to the plan and then put a full-height wall with a window opening towards the dining area.
We take the point about the glass wall as an option. In the worst case, such a glass wall could probably be retrofitted if it really turns out that the noise from the dining area bothers us. We like the idea of a wall with a window opening less.
In general, I would set the doors everywhere to at least 90 cm width in the shell construction (except for WCs). The WC doors should also open outwards, especially in the ground floor WC, otherwise it will be too tight.
Good point. We will take a look at it.
I would rethink kitchen and storage access again.
Our consideration was that we also store food here and therefore direct access from the kitchen area would be very practical. Especially in everyday life, groceries will probably first be placed on the kitchen island and from there stored in the fridge, cabinets, or this storage. What would you change here and why?
Desirable would also be a window in the plan-right wall.
Thanks for the tip. This is indeed still an open discussion point for us where our opinions differ somewhat.
If you move the cloakroom and utility room, i.e., the room unit in the middle, which is the basis of the labyrinth, to the plan-right side, everything should get a bit less confusing and simpler.
The planner already tried such an approach but did not find a nice solution. Very limiting on the plan-right side is, of course, the lack of possibility to provide "real" windows along the garage. We will bring this up with him again.
In the medium term, grandma is supposed to move into the house. Which room is assigned to her?
Actually, our approach was possibly to accommodate grandma in the office/guest room. Barrier-free access from the street would be given here. The room should also be pleasantly bright and thus suitable for a longer stay. We will still widen the doors to 90 cm. In principle, it would also be conceivable to repurpose the hobby room and expand the toilet into a full bathroom. However, here the staircase would definitely be a barrier. Which solution is "better" in the end probably also depends a bit on how mobile grandma will still be.
What if grandma cannot use stairs or needs a walker?
Then one will have to reluctantly think about a stairlift. The main staircase should definitely be wide enough for that.
Why not actually make the upper floor at ground level without a few more steps within this floor?
If the separation office/guest room from private rooms is an important criterion, I don’t find the solution so bad.
This solution arose for two reasons: 1.) The idea of having the bedrooms on the entrance level did not appeal to us very much at first. The steps at least form a "small barrier" (even if only in the imagination) to the private sleeping area. 2.) Due to the ceiling drop, we create a higher room height in the living area without having to unnecessarily increase the height of the rear part of the house, which lies underground and where we don’t need the high room height. That reduces the required excavation a bit.
In principle, we would have liked the approach of a real split-level house (entrance level with guest room and guest bathroom on street level single-storey, then a two-storey building part each offset by half a floor – living area in the lower floor and private bedrooms in the upper floor). The planner, however, thought that the slope of the terrain would not be ideal for this, and the builder waved the cost cudgel, so we discarded this idea.
I find separate WCs more than suboptimal with small children. Especially since there is a second full bathroom on the floor.
Both of us grew up in households where the toilet is in the bathroom. Especially in the morning, when all residents want to use the bathroom at the same time, separate rooms reduce a lot of stress. This is therefore a conscious decision, and we are willing to accept possible disadvantages.
The gauntlet between the row of cabinets should indeed be tried to solve more elegantly.
We could take a few centimeters off both sides of the room to get from the current 107 cm (230 - 2 x 1.5 cm plaster - 2 x 60 cm cabinet) to e.g., 120 cm. Would that significantly improve the situation? Any better ideas?