Passive house as a logical consequence? Are there counterarguments?

  • Erstellt am 2015-02-20 19:54:17

nathi

2015-02-22 14:48:26
  • #1


And to prove that, you tried it right away, or what? At least it would be a suspicious coincidence that someone completely uninvolved edited the Wikipedia article this morning to show 30%-40% additional costs. But it isn’t as simple as you claim, as you can see by the fact that this change was reversed after 9 minutes because, unlike the original statement, it is not supported by sources.

I really don’t have any patience for kindergarten-level stuff anymore, let me know if you have any evidence.
 

Masipulami

2015-02-22 18:20:55
  • #2
With your "I'm right and all of you have no clue" attitude, I would hold back on statements like kindergarten level.

But hey... Just go to an architect, general contractor, or someone else and have a normal house planned and get a quote first. Once you have that, you only need to say that you'd like to upgrade to a passive house for 2% more.

They will definitely be rushing to your door.

But as already written above:
Luckily, we couldn't care less.
 

nathi

2015-02-22 18:29:35
  • #3


Where did I claim something like that? I had numbers of 2% in mind, Bauexperte told me to search again, I did that and found figures of 5%-15% and corrected myself accordingly.

Otherwise, I just asked for evidence because I can't imagine where the costs come from. Especially since the sources I found refer to different values.
 

toxicmolotof

2015-02-22 18:45:56
  • #4
I have now also googled for a few minutes and found values between 11 and 14%, all from sites I would want to identify as "[Passivhaus nah]". Therefore, I assume the lower limit of the cost deviation. Furthermore, these sources/studies are significantly older than 3 years.

Our construction execution as a 55er house confirms this for me, because we are already significantly more expensive (about 10%) than the standard energy saving ordinance.

I hardly believe that even with an additional 5% I would have gotten anywhere near a PH.
 

Mycraft

2015-02-22 20:00:50
  • #5
You can gargle as long as you want... you will only find the calculated or offered prices... and those can gladly be the 5-15%... but the reality looks different. Prices are constantly changing and rarely going down... as soon as a study is published, it is actually already outdated...

And when I keep reading that you can get a 150 sqm penthouse for 1200€/sqm, you simply cannot take those sites seriously...
 

EveundGerd

2015-02-22 20:16:05
  • #6


I don’t believe that either.
Since this is being discussed very passionately here, I have now also looked around. I have read Wikipedia and the like, but many posts are already ancient.

Therefore, I had an offer calculated based on our current house build. That means I raised the energy standard from the Energy Saving Ordinance to Passive House. The other conditions remained the same!

City villa with 2 full floors, no basement. 154 sqm floor area.

Price increases compared to Energy Saving Ordinance: a staggering 49%!!!

Since we also had our house calculated for KFW 55, here is this calculation as well: additional costs for a Passive House of 36%!!

Anyone who now presents a Passive House ecologically as the ultimate must take a look at the production of the predominantly used materials and think about future generations with regard to disposal and so on.

My personal conclusion: Anyone who believes that building a Passive House acquires a green conscience is mistaken.

The way a house is built always depends on personal preferences as well as the respective financial possibilities.
 

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