Mill underfloor heating or apply new screed?

  • Erstellt am 2022-10-11 21:36:56

FCBenne04

2022-10-26 20:54:23
  • #1
Thank you for the quick and helpful answer! Was that irony or is the insulation of the screed really reasonable? Does the PUR insulation refer to the basement ceiling? Can you manage that with a little skill yourself and what (material) costs should one roughly expect? I quickly googled it and found various offers (partly for flooring), sometimes PUR, sometimes PIR. According to initial research results, PUR apparently has a more balanced material distribution than PIR. We do not have a heating load calculation. Is that recommended? And if yes, do you need an on-site appointment and what costs would one have to expect? Maybe these are also eligible for funding under the BAFA heating renewal program?! Is it even possible to use larger pipes with a milled underfloor heating? What exactly do you mean by "950 m of tubing" and 16/2 pipes? We have also considered tacking the underfloor heating ourselves and have already been offered that in principle. I have looked into it; there really are many systems for (new) installed underfloor heating. Recently I also saw the systems from Schlüter (with decoupling mats) (designation: "Schlüter®-BEKOTEC-THERM"). Have you ever heard of it? It apparently makes sense especially with a low build-up height. But hopefully we have no big problem here.
 

SaniererNRW123

2022-10-26 21:12:28
  • #2
Sorry, there was a missing "k". It is a simple standard insulation, which is better than nothing but doesn’t seriously prevent the heat from the basement. PUR/PIR referred to both sides of the ceiling. You can put it under the screed and/or under the basement ceiling. The work is also standard – glue foam and stick it to the ceiling (possibly support it with cheap props). You just have to tinker a bit if there are pipes on the basement ceiling. And since you indicated NW as a federal state and your nickname somehow looks like Ruhr area, I recommend a trip to Nettetal for the insulation materials. There you can get second choice – more than sufficient for the basement or similar (I often go there). Recommended, yes, because with that you can properly size your heating + underfloor heating (including hydraulic balancing). On site? No, all online or by email. Costs are manageable – AFAIK also eligible for funding. For example like this – then you also get the installation plan for the underfloor heating. I believe the milled UFHs only use pipes that small. About 950m of those will be installed in your case. Larger pipes, like for a “normal” underfloor heating, start at a diameter of 16mm (wall thickness 2mm). Significantly more water can flow through those – so a lower flow temperature can be operated. With a spacing of 12.5cm, it’s about 950m of the 14x2 pipe. If you switch to 10cm spacing, it’s already 1,230m of pipe. More or less like having larger radiators. They give off the same amount of heat at a low heating water temperature as smaller radiators do at a higher temperature. And then you also have more heating water flowing through larger pipes. But also more heating circuits. I even installed mine myself often at 7.5cm spacing – on 120sqm that was over 1.5 km. The "extra" material effort is, in my opinion, no obstacle, as it's not that much more expensive. Heard of it, never used it. Last time I just laid insulation on the floor and glued a grid foil on top. Then simply stapled the pipes onto the insulation/foil. Laborious but quick and doable without much prior knowledge.
 

xMisterDx

2022-10-26 22:57:52
  • #3
If you install and staple it yourself, by the way, you have absolutely no warranty claims against anyone in case of damage.
It will always be spun in a way that you caused the hairline crack in the pipe yourself because you stapled incorrectly or stomped on it like an elephant ;)

Whether that is ultimately worth a few thousand EUR in savings... depends on whether your floor is wet at some point or not...

PS:
Almost everything in construction is doable without prior knowledge. But you are also to blame if it goes wrong because you had no idea how to do it properly or didn't know the critical points that matter.
 

DeepRed

2022-10-27 09:24:49
  • #4

Thanks, I wanted to contribute that as well. Since I’m currently facing the same issue myself (stapling underfloor heating pipes). In the end, I had the heating engineer do it, precisely because of the warranty background. It would have been about €1200 in savings if I had done it myself. But any claims in case of defects and the consequential costs would have been lost.
 

SaniererNRW123

2022-10-27 14:44:25
  • #5

That’s exactly why you do it together with the heating engineer. Lay and staple yourself. The heating engineer handles the connection (presses the fittings) and assumes the warranty. A very common procedure in construction. That’s also how I recommend it.
When I do things myself, I do everything completely on my own – at least then I know who screwed up ;)
 

DeepRed

2022-10-27 15:09:05
  • #6

I suggested that too. Mine refused. Either he lays and presses off, or no warranty. Seems there are regional differences on this topic.
 

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