Is fine staking by a publicly appointed surveyor necessary?

  • Erstellt am 2016-03-22 13:51:27

Bader

2016-03-22 13:51:27
  • #1
Hello,
in Rhineland-Palatinate, is it always necessary to have a complete fine staking done by a publicly appointed surveyor (including staking sketch), or can the construction company do it as well (then without a sketch)?

If it is not necessary, would the publicly appointed surveyor agree to only stake one axis (because of the adjoining semi-detached house)?

Thank you
 

Escroda

2016-03-22 17:23:11
  • #2
Although it was in the last millennium when I went trotting through foreign federal states to stake out, after a quick glance at the state building code, anyone may still carry out the staking out:

§77:
(2) Before construction begins, the footprint of the building structure must be staked out and its elevation determined. The building supervisory authority may require that the staking out and determination of the elevation be carried out or accepted before the start of construction by expert persons or bodies.

However, waiving the surveyor is not advisable for liability reasons; having a publicly appointed surveyor measure only one axis is nonsensical. All elaborate tasks such as travel, locating and checking boundaries, setting up the surveying equipment must also be done for one axis. Staking out a few more points will hardly be reflected in the fee.
 

Bader

2016-03-23 09:09:34
  • #3
Yes, you're probably right there.
 

DG

2016-03-23 19:23:09
  • #4
The colleague is right.

With us, for example, up to 8 axes are included in the basic flat rate, so whether I stake out one or 8 axes, it costs the same.

In addition: if you save on the surveyor and also skip the staking sketch, this leads to a very short process in the event of damage: the person doing the staking has already lost before it even starts, and the one responsible for construction supervision (architect and/or client) is hardly better off because they cannot check the staking at all, not even for gross mistakes. As a client, you should always insist on a staking sketch with at least 2 independent height references.

Saving on the surveyor is possible, but usually not very sensible. Skipping the staking sketch is grossly negligent. At least.

Best regards
Dirk Grafe
 

laemat

2016-03-24 08:04:17
  • #5
especially since the surveyor simply falls by the wayside compared to the total construction costs.
 

Payday

2016-04-04 19:49:08
  • #6


that's what people say about so many small items like for example:

- measurer
- soil survey
- expert during the construction phase
- specialist lawyer before signing the contract
- various "optional" insurances
- etc...

and in the end, suddenly 10,000 euros are gone, without initially having a "real" additional service. these are all just risk coverages which in the worst case would have become more expensive otherwise (or despite this risk coverage still happen and you get nothing out of it - see example below), or in the end were simply money thrown away. in the end, you have to balance the probability of occurrence with the costs in relation to the worst case and then decide which risks you want to insure in the end (whatever insuring means).

and here is my example directly on the topic in our new development area:

the boundary stones in our new development area were set back 2 meters from the street because otherwise they would later be covered directly by the street. as usual, the house had to be built at least 3 meters from the street. so what was done? 3 meters were added from the boundary stone, resulting in 5 meters distance, although only 3 meters was desired and approved. of course, this only became apparent when relocating by 2 meters was "no longer economically justifiable" in terms of rework. (which is actually the case relatively quickly)
the lot was of course a south-facing lot where the owners wanted as large a garden as possible to the south and little to the north. relocating was therefore no longer possible (company would otherwise go bankrupt bla bla), delays due to complete demolition etc... in the end, there was then a few euros compensation, with which you at best recouped the additional costs in the northern area. but it remains a lot with a house that is positioned incorrectly and that you will be annoyed about your whole life. of course, it was officially staked out, but you couldn't buy anything from that.
one thing a builder really has to realize: NOBODY is really liable for anything when it gets expensive! you can forget about that quite calmly. German law clearly favors the contractor here, who in the worst case will file for bankruptcy and come back under a new name. you have years of legal dispute, have to bear thousands of euros for experts and other costs (e.g. further tenants because the house is not finished), until you theoretically and possibly!!!!!! get your rights. and then there is obviously nothing left to get from them. so forget it immediately and try to find and report every little thing as quickly as possible (your expert won't pay for his overlooked defects either).
 

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