Is an inhabited basement part of the thermal envelope or not?

  • Erstellt am 2019-12-22 20:32:36

ludwig88sta

2019-12-23 10:32:28
  • #1


Okay, how did you ultimately insulate the exterior walls of the basement? Did you also use waterproof concrete?
 

-XIII-

2019-12-23 10:37:05
  • #2


We have water pressure and a slope. Since our architect is a safety fanatic, we have WU concrete + a black tank. Everything is then wrapped with 16cm XPS insulation.
 

11ant

2019-12-23 13:21:16
  • #3
Completely removing it means saving the insulation of the basement enclosing walls, as the ceiling’s insulation only shifts between the basement ceiling and the floor slab. Including the room individually and not the rest of the basement does not work properly or only in naive calculations: properly executed insulation would require "isolation baskets" in the floor slab – which, in my opinion, even in East Frisian jokes only fools would do.
 

Tassimat

2019-12-23 13:23:17
  • #4
Correct, just like in millions of uninsulated houses in Germany. Then the oven simply runs at a higher setting and uses more electricity. But that does not matter at all, because you only want to heat the room for a few days a year.
 

ludwig88sta

2019-12-23 14:13:14
  • #5


As also mentioned, there should be tight and insulated basement stair doors.... so no interior front door is needed.

And insulation on the basement ceiling or ground floor is also logical, yes.

I should practically have both variants costed out. And then it’s a question of money regarding what one decides on. Because a basement inside the thermal envelope is probably more expensive but also more comfortable and maybe more future-proof (if in 20 years a great electricity storage is invented that works worse at low temperatures than at living temperatures). Retrofitting it would hardly be possible.

Although the comparison of electricity costs for the stove in the rather rare yearly case of overnight guests to the additional costs for the basement inside the thermal envelope is probably unnecessary because it will be clear-cut. But as said, comfort and “done is done, because retrofitting is not possible.”
 

Pinky0301

2019-12-23 16:32:28
  • #6
I can't imagine that it's worth not including the basement. In new buildings, it's not unusual to have no heating in the basement, so you won't save anything there.
 

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