How much real savings through better walls

  • Erstellt am 2016-12-09 10:46:13

Tego12

2016-12-10 18:21:52
  • #1
Roughly speaking, in my opinion you can calculate it like this. Inflation is left out just like the interest surcharge for the investment, approximately fits. The 800€ heating costs are probably even calculated too high with a brine heat pump and trench collector, which makes the calculation look even worse....

The improvement of the walls will never pay off. Living quality also does not increase anymore... -> do it for your ecological conscience or don’t bother ;)
 

Alex85

2016-12-10 21:36:08
  • #2


At least not if energy prices do not change significantly. But that is reading a crystal ball or pure speculation. I would not bet on it.
 

Judyyy

2016-12-10 22:50:31
  • #3
My ecological conscience would of course love to implement it, but not my financial gut feeling :D

Phew, I really need to sleep on it again :confused:

I am planning a photovoltaic system in parallel and preferably as large as possible :D
And in combination with a heat pump and as high a self-consumption as possible, a better wall is probably even less profitable :(
 

toxicmolotof

2016-12-11 04:46:15
  • #4
A photovoltaic system, no matter how large, is not at all cost-effective either with regard to the brine-water heat pump or a high level of self-consumption.

With a bit of luck, you might break even after 10-15 years. However, by then the end of the lifespan of the modules and/or the inverter is likely to be approaching.

And with storage, even this scenario will not occur.

That only helps the ecological (cool typo) idea if you recklessly ignore manufacturing and disposal. ;-)
 

Peanuts74

2016-12-12 11:03:19
  • #5


The modules are likely to last longer, but the inverters would already be more in the range of Juppi Heesters at 15 years. The whole eco-insulation craze will hardly pay off in most cases. And even at least my green conscience would not be at ease if you look at the rest of the world. In the USA, wooden houses have single-pane glazing and are so drafty that you can fit your finger between the frame and the sliding window.
In winter, they just heat at full throttle.
Conversely, refrigerators are mainly large but so poorly insulated that they run 80-90% of the time. Cars are partly tuned to produce as much soot as possible, otherwise only pickups (gasoline V8), which hardly consume less than 20L.
You hardly ever see anything lying in the truck bed. Africa, China, India, etc.—all environmental regulations are a joke or simply non-existent.
And the German government thinks it can save the planet by sticking 20cm or more of Styrofoam onto houses???
Just for your information, I also try to save electricity, gasoline, etc., and I care a lot about the environment, but the focus would have to be on entirely different things.
 

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