House orientation for new construction on a north-facing plot - ideas, tips?

What do you get out of it? People work during the day; the dining room and kitchen should have more priority, as already said.

Well: In my opinion, 1. it’s a matter of taste and 2. there is a phase of life when one spends more time at home.

I stick to my view: The floor plan ideas are not that bad. However, I would remove the bay window; better to make the house a bit bigger (if it’s about space). A northern bay window is generally poor. If bay windows, then facing south/west. However, I really don’t see the advantage.

And it’s true: walls drawn too thin distort the living area significantly. Therefore, for me this is not a real floor plan but a floor plan idea aimed at determining the location of the rooms. You can’t go into detail on that basis.

It will be more important to define the “restrictions” for each room (e.g., how big; this can be a minimum or maximum size; think about furnishing: base the window placement on that). There is still a way to go…….

That’s why I asked about the benefit, or rather about the contour lines. A dormer in the general alignment of the eaves can also offer this effect of "occasionally higher knee walls," combined with the wall projection another point for an added cost is added.

Ok, I have now read up a bit and think I chose the wrong term and we are actually talking about the same thing. (I meant something like in the photo, more the flat version).

I will change the floor plan and wall thickness if the software allows it. (Which software is actually best for this?)

But as I said, in the end a professional should do it properly, for me it is about the preliminary planning, the orientation (location of rooms and house type; placement on the property).

I just don’t know if the rooms facing more to the north won’t be too dark. I also read that children’s rooms should not face north because children should grow up in "light."

That would rather speak in favor of House Variant 1, where the windows upstairs would face east and west. In Variant 2, a child’s room always faces north unless I could put our bedroom there (3.5m wardrobe), then the child’s room could also be in the dormer facing west.

I don’t really like the stair layout in Variant 1 either; all the paths from upstairs to the kitchen/living room are somewhat far. My wife likes a living/dining/kitchen area in an L-shape, but that is hard to achieve on the north plot; she worries it will all feel like a long corridor.

We actually want only three children’s rooms upstairs (about equal size, approx. 12-16 sqm), a bedroom (with room for the 3.5m wardrobe) and a bathroom with shower and bathtub.

Downstairs kitchen/dining/living room, utility room, an office/guest room (which should become our bedroom when we are older) and a bathroom with shower.

I (as a complete layman) think that connection costs for the utility room in a northeast location cannot be "that much" more expensive than a southeast location.

If you have better suggestions, always bring them on, I’m open to everything.

Without having read all the posts from the last few days again:

1. I would keep the access route as short as possible (paving costs; long utility connections possibly too; therefore orient the house more towards the west
2. the OP is currently assuming "either/or." He has developed floor plans and now wants to shift them back and forth. In my opinion, the location should first be determined and then the floor plan developed from it.

Without having read all the posts from the last few days again:

1. I would keep the access path as short as possible (paving costs money; long house connections possibly too; therefore orient the house more towards the west
2. The original poster is currently thinking in terms of "either/or." He has developed floor plans and now wants to move them back and forth. In my opinion, the location should be determined first and then the floor plan developed from that.

1. Of course, keep paths short – but neverever put the house in the west!
2. Correct. First determine the placement, then explore the options based on that.

How you correctly apply the umbrella term for roofs, I don't find that so important. Calling the dormer here a bay window is not entirely wrong either, since it stands on the bay window of the ground floor. And that's exactly what I want to get you to "give up": the recess in the floor plan - so that you get a "smooth" house side.

And if you compare the two pictures and imagine you were the carpenter and had to build the roof structure: then you will see, with a gable like on the left, it becomes more complicated (aka more expensive) than in the shed variant in the picture on the right.

As a painted room distribution scheme, the drawing can also be used with "wrong" wall thicknesses. My note should basically tell you that you mentally have to subtract the mathematically resulting extra square meters again. This becomes relevant for room widths of small rooms like WC and pantry and for areas of medium-sized rooms; in the living room you won't notice the difference.

Aber wie gesagt, am Ende soll das der Profi einmal richtig machen, mir geht es vorab um die Vorplanung, die Ausrichtung

That's exactly right.

Wir wollen eigentlich im OG nur drei Kinderzimmer (möglichst gleich Groß ca. 12-16qm),

Equal-sized children's rooms fit equal-sized children. Often they prefer to share a room when small. And when the oldest moves out, the others want to "move up" and upgrade - which is harder with equal sizes.

(was im alter mal unser Schlafzimmer werden soll)

The concept of living only downstairs when stairs become difficult and leaving the upper floor empty is already becoming obsolete. Like Nordlys, becoming a builder one last time shortly before retirement (and incorporating all life experience), will be the more common model in old age for today's under-50s.

1. ich würde die Zuwegung möglichst kurz halten (Pflastern kostet; lange Hausanschlüsse evtl. auch ; daher das Haus eher Richtung Westen orientieren

1. Klar Wege kurz halten - aber Haus neverever in den Westen setzen!

The west is not such a bad devil after all. If the floor area ratio allows it, I would rather prefer a longer driveway than predominantly having a north-facing garden.

Er hat Grundrisse entwickelt und will die jetzt hin und her schieben. Meiner Meinung nach gehört zuerst der Standort festgelegt und daraus dann der Grundriss entwickelt.

He developed two variants, which are actually four (shown: model A with north bay window and model B with west bay window). It seems to me that it is important to determine the orientation first - the location afterwards is mostly only a linear shift - and then decide whether to further develop A or B (or what to take from them to create C).

How you correctly apply the roofing term, I don't find that very important. Calling the dormer here a bay window is not entirely wrong either, since it stands on the bay window of the ground floor. And that is exactly what I want to "dissuade" you from: from the notch in the floor plan – so towards a "smooth" house side.

Good point, thanks. If the price difference really is that big, then of course as a smooth house wall.

And if you compare the two pictures and imagine you were the carpenter and had to build the roof structure: then you will see, a gable like on the left will be more complicated (aka more expensive) than the shed variant in the right picture.

So the shed variant means basically "flat roof dormer"?

According to Sonnenverlauf_de we have to position the house as far as possible to the south/east and place the garden to the west in order to have long sun exposure in the evenings. Alternatively, put the house far down to the north and the garden then to the south, but then the neighbor would basically shade our house. For the evenings, one would then probably need a second seating area far in the south/east (where the garage is in variant 1). The plot also has a slight slope of about 1–1.5 m from south to north.

I don't think the garage in the southeast corner is so good either, way too much driveway and paving work. Better the garage in the middle or further forward and behind the garage a small lawn area for, e.g., a clothes drying rack or something else.

If the terrace faces west, then the north orientation of the plot is not so bad at all.

Currently we live in a house in the west (street to the west) and the garden faces east. That also works because the sun reaches the garden (from the side) from the south and then in the evening sun still comes sideways from the west over the garage, only late (6 pm) when the sun has moved behind the house over the garage do we no longer have sun. Normally everyone says there is no more sun in the east garden after noon, but that’s not really true, it always depends on the placement of the house or the garden. The driveway is always in the shade after noon (at the current location), but since it is always shaded in summer anyway, I don’t find that so bad, because the garden always gets sun somewhere.

It depends on the location/positioning of the house, I think that is the most important thing.