House construction equipment, extras - what goes in!

  • Erstellt am 2013-11-19 09:31:11

ypg

2013-12-18 11:30:40
  • #1


That is (almost) the only thing I personally acknowledge and also will have for my life. Everything else is too regulated for me (ok, you can basically set heaters so that you have a constant temperature in the rooms) and in my opinion, there are too many static preliminary considerations in the programming that suppress individuality in creating or living life. Sometimes I sleep until 9 on weekends, sometimes until 11, or I’d rather look out the window when there’s something to see outside "in the dark"? (for example the beautifully lit garden, at the push of a button) Some people need a life that is controlled from "outside" or "above"... yes, I know, YOU are the one who controls and sets such things yourself, yet I believe that through automation the brain eventually becomes dull and tired and surrenders to whatever is offered.

Personally, I already detest the regulated office routine that starts at half past seven in the morning. For that I am grateful for any special circumstance that makes the day different. And when I have my 3-day depressions, I don’t want to know that bills are lying in the mailbox either. Can that be turned off spontaneously, or is that a red-flashing alarm button that also blares?
 

Mycraft

2013-12-18 13:00:24
  • #2
Yes, it is simply not everyone's thing, but I have written that before...

But, for example, your problem with the shutters on the weekend is solved like this:

As long as the bed is occupied, nothing goes up... but if you are awake and want to stay in bed, yet still have the shutters up, you can use the "touch the display" which is above the bed to raise the shutters.

I really don't care about the view into the garden when it's dark... I can't see anything anyway... and you can always go to a window, open it, and then the shutter goes up...

As I wrote before, home automation aims to adapt the house to the resident and not the other way around, which is necessary without home automation...



Well, you can't really say it like that... that would be too general... with more automation, more challenges also come your way and the brain is then repeatedly occupied with inventing scenarios and implementing them into the automation, with a constant or even improved WAF!

I keep sitting there with my laptop, tinkering with programming etc. because from time to time you discover things that can be automated.

I forgot a few things that I have implemented:

- Presence simulation
- When leaving the house, the pathway lighting etc. also turns on (similarly when you come onto the property)
- When leaving the house, all consumers that are not necessary are switched off, TV etc.
- When returning, those things are switched on again
- When going to sleep, it checks whether all shutters are down and all lights and unnecessary consumers are off; if not, everything is switched off or powered down again.

and the most important thing:
- When the alarm rings in the morning and you have to get out of bed, the coffee machine in the kitchen downstairs turns on and brews a cup...
 

DerBjoern

2013-12-18 13:49:47
  • #3
I am adding a few supplements to the points listed by Mycraft that are often implemented in private households:

Access control: By integrating motor locks and RFID keys, you can grant certain people access only at specific times. For example, the cleaning lady only on Wednesday mornings. Or grant the neighbor access from work at the push of a button so he can let the meter reader in, etc., etc. This can also be used to improve presence/absence control.
Regarding roller shutter control. This should be handled more cautiously. A control system that reacts too sensitively to lighting conditions can be quite annoying on slightly cloudy days. In most cases, my experience has shown that it is best if the shutters only react to darkness in the evening and accordingly go down. When it gets dark, there is rarely a situation where this is bothersome. Quite the opposite in the morning when it gets light. Due to changed wake-up times (shifts changing, school cancellations, illness, guests, vacation, flexible working hours, etc.), automation can more frequently cause disturbances in the long term. At least regarding bedrooms. Many eventually disable at least the automatic raising of shutters in bedrooms and bathrooms in the morning. Bathrooms because, in winter, on hazy days with the room light on, one can still be clearly seen from outside even after sunrise...


I would strongly advise against that! It is bad if the burglar has already jumped into the house, the shutters block the way out, and you are standing in the doorway between the only escape route and the burglar.


Turning on the lights inside and around the entire house during an alarm can certainly make sense, as it has a rather deterrent and scaring effect. Outdoor alarms should be viewed skeptically with regard to false alarms. Phone notifications are definitely recommended. Also useful is a network camera that turns on at the latest when the alarm sounds and can be accessed via phone to possibly check if everything is okay, allowing you to deactivate the alarm remotely.

Alarm smoke detectors should ideally switch on lights and raise the shutters to clear escape routes. But don’t just implement such a function blindly. When using combined gas/smoke detectors, for example, the light should not necessarily be switched on. (For electric shutters, one should generally think through the topic of escape routes in their house!!!)

In combination with shutters, one should always consider the state of entrances/exits. So as not to lock oneself out. It is not enough to just monitor if a patio door is closed but rather if it is locked. Patio doors are often just left ajar in the summer.

Then generally the use of state sensors. There are smoke/gas/CO/CO2/humidity/temperature sensors that can be used to control heating, ventilation, etc., etc. For example, to prevent mold. If sensors in a room report temperature <= 16° and humidity >65%, you can raise the temperature to 18-19°. I once successfully prevented a mold problem in two side rooms of a community clubhouse this way. In addition, ventilation can be linked to the CO2 level or humidity when high values are exceeded.

Then you can do things like water level monitoring in garden ponds, overflow alarms, etc., etc.

Regarding the weather station: Here you can react to extreme events besides garden irrigation. For example, extending and retracting shading in strong storms. However, for many purposes, you do not necessarily need a weather station. Many automation centers have databases for sunrise and sunset times for the region. Online access to weather data, etc. That is often enough, especially if the weather sensing for the desired location takes place nearby.

@demian
There are quite a few systems available on the market for implementation:
In my opinion, the royal road is KNX if you are not put off by the wiring effort. Open bus system with free protocol and an innumerable variety of controls, sensors, actuators. There are also many bridges to other automation systems here. It is also mainly used in commercial areas.
If it should be radio-based and also not a completely closed system, you should look into the Enocean area. Thanks to battery-less radio actuators, maintenance effort is lower here.
Then personally, I also find Homematic by EQ3 quite good in private use. The system is quite flexible due to a large range of radio actuators and sensors. Despite radio, it is quite reliable because of the bidirectional bus system. The downside is that it is a closed proprietary system, although there are initial moves to open it further with Quivicon. Bridges for integration via IPSymcon and for using older FS20 components are available.
EQ3 also manufactures the RWE Smarthome system, distributed by RWE. Currently, there is only a limited selection of sensors/actuators. The components are hardware compatible with Homematic but cannot be mixed or interchanged due to different protocols in the bus system. At least not yet. A big advantage is simple configuration. If you want more information on that, it’s best to look around in relevant forums. There you will also get countless suggestions for doable but sometimes silly setups...

With all technical functions and gimmicks, one should never forget that habits change. Therefore, less automation in many places is often more, if you do not want to spend the saved time and gained comfort through automation repeatedly on administration. Above all, the purpose of automation is not to save the basic installation of a house but to link and expand it with a logic layer. I wrote that a system that was ONCE REASONABLY set up does not require constant administration. And that is true. After a few years at the latest, many hobby administrators and homeowners have the same goal. Namely, when they are tired of constantly changing the programming, explaining via phone on the highway to their wife how to turn off the TV, or constantly playing the light switch for the children’s friends. This usually happens when the entire circle of friends and acquaintances has been shown what the house can do and everyday life slowly sets in.

And when



then that is not intelligent or smart but simply just sh***y.

That does not mean it cannot be better!
 

Justifier

2013-12-18 14:19:10
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Björn, do you have recommendations for a good forum regarding this?
 

Mycraft

2013-12-18 19:58:06
  • #5
A few more answers to the questions:



Brilliant are the people who developed it... I'm actually just a user.

The whole thing is realized via KNX. One of the advantages is that the hardware can be combined arbitrarily, so you are not tied to a manufacturer and can simply install whatever you want. If something should be defective, or the manufacturer is no longer on the market, the devices can be replaced by others and only require new programming, then everything runs again.

Additional costs depend on what you want to have... you can keep it minimalistic or build really large systems like many others, where every socket is individually switchable, etc. You really can't specify it, but you can calculate with a factor of 3 for a simple KNX installation... most end up with a factor of 10, because you want to do this and that... but you get 500% more comfort and information compared to a conventional installation... and a big advantage is also that everything is expandable or replaceable without breaking walls.

Simply exchange a 2-gang switch for an 8-gang one and you can have 6 more functions at the same place without laying cables.

The whole thing was planned with us by a KNX company and implemented during construction... I did the programming myself. Retrofitting KNX is rather nonsense... so if at all, right from the start during construction...



Sure, there is a lot that looks like a gimmick... or where at first glance you think... but you hardly believe how quickly you get used to automatic lighting, etc. and then don’t want to miss it...

I like to compare it to the car.

Every average car buyer 20-30 years ago said, "well central locking and electric windows are just gimmicks, I don’t need them" nowadays this equipment is indispensable in cars... or a vehicle without it is hardly sellable.

You are afraid of surveillance, but home automation is also about that even if many don’t want to admit it. Presence detectors always check if someone is in the room... the actuators monitor power consumption... cameras if available look outside and inside... contacts on the windows monitor whether they are open or closed... and so on.

And as soon as you install an alarm system in the house... which you plan to do... you already take a big step towards surveillance... you simply have to decide for yourself where to draw the line and whether you even want to transmit the data externally via the internet, etc.

Oh, here are a few equipment options for houses:

- Window casings
- Shutters
- Tinted windows
- Wood/plastic windows/or something completely different
- Muntins in/on the windows
- Special locks against prying open etc.
- Aluminum/marble exterior window sills
- Downpipes made of zinc, copper, stainless steel
- Special gas fillings in windows
- Door handle shapes/variants
- Type of roller shutter box (built-in, front-mounted)
- Cylinder lock (security class, key shape, drill protection, etc.)
 

Chelria

2013-12-20 12:30:15
  • #6
Hello,

The following was important to us:

Sockets at every window (for Christmas decorations or other lights)
Motion detectors in the hallway (practical at night when you frequently go to the toilet or get something to drink)
Removable fly screens (it used to be a field and thus had a lot of flying insects)
LAN connections in every room (kitchen for internet radio, or also for various devices)
Enough sockets (our house is equipped with 95 sockets)
Electric cable laid outside, for garden lighting and for the little house
Bathroom with shower and bathtub, you never know
Burglary protection on windows and doors
Smoke detectors in every room, in the utility room also water detectors (because of the washing machine) and gas detectors

I can’t think of anything else right now
 

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