House Construction Concrete Skeleton Method: Advantages - Disadvantages - Cost Differences

  • Erstellt am 2024-12-22 15:21:25

hanse987

2024-12-22 19:04:36
  • #1

Even if they are not load-bearing walls, relocating them is not as simple as you imagine. Normally, you first have the partition wall and then the screed. On the screed, you could put up partition walls, but this is not good acoustically and you also have underfloor heating. Then the technology must be separated for the rental. And so on.
 

Milano20

2024-12-22 19:11:26
  • #2
Thank you for your information.

My windows are great, otherwise I wouldn’t have bought them. Anthracite. Schüco. Double-winged, 2 meters high. I also have single-winged and smaller ones,
Even Rafstore are included and triple glazing.

Do you possibly have any tips for me regarding the basement?
I am planning a basement. 3 meters high. About 80cm above the ground.

It should become a large room. About 150 sqm.
It should not become living space, but will be rented out directly as a hall and will have a separate entrance from the outside.

How would you proceed there?
 

Milano20

2024-12-22 19:23:42
  • #3
In fact, one should take a little more time for the planning.

I will probably consult with my architect, along with a construction contractor for the shell and the concrete component manufacturer, before we even start creating a plan. Basically, they need to be able to tell us the best way to proceed and which costs can be saved through various construction measures.

I am always fascinated by the high-rise buildings with multi-family houses when they are built with prefabricated parts. Enormous amounts of money flow into that. I don’t think they pay more for serial building with concrete parts. Of course, you only achieve the prices when you build in volume and with at least X floors.

But I think if I have 2 floors, it would probably pay off. Prefabricated concrete walls are also an option, but in the end, sand-lime brick is the better choice for me.

Only the onsite concrete slab bothers me because I (probably unjustifiably) associate it with a lot of work and longer waiting times.

Once my shell and the ceilings are up, I will have peace of mind and can continue calmly. That should be completed within 2-3 weeks.
 

nordanney

2024-12-22 20:06:17
  • #4

First, ask whether the development plan even allows commercial use.

No one wants to argue with you about that. They just have to fit the house. I was able to buy rims cheaply. Just need to find the right car now. You know what I mean?

But it’s the cheaper option. And it takes just as long as the filigree ceiling because it’s also poured on site. It’s only a few cm thick and the rest of the concrete is poured on top like the old-school ceiling. Imagine you still have to wait for the ceiling from the factory while the crew on site just sets everything up and finishes faster.

That makes you an individualist and a very small fish in the concrete factory. Like buying three phones at MediaMarkt and feeling like a big customer.

You want to build like that, right?

There is little flexibility to be seen. BUT you definitely need to apply thick insulation on the outside to achieve the necessary values.


Is that worthwhile? The hall then also requires KfW 55 and of course all fire protection issues, etc.
Keep in mind that the hall will be expensive.
 

Milano20

2024-12-22 23:46:50
  • #5
The picture corresponds to our idea. That’s how we imagined it. However, apparently we also have to consider the “normal” construction method.

The development plan fits so far, it is a mixed-use area.

How do you come to Kfw55? Is that legally required?

Does anyone have the current average prices for concrete basements or alternatives?
It will probably be a white tank, 80cm protruding. No interior walls. Approximately 10x15m. No windows/shafts.
Without excavation work
 

11ant

2024-12-22 23:50:15
  • #6


So what is it now: own home or small hall? A three-meter-high basement that floats 80 cm above the ground—on stilts?



You have a series of charming notions about building with precast parts. It is uneconomical not only in single-family home construction but also declining in commercial construction in the segment of buildings with 1,500 sqm floor area and smaller. Hebel builds small halls with the "BoST" system (= Building without separate load-bearing structure), that is precisely not a column skeleton. My factory (150 m long, 20 m support span) was economical as a skeleton structure, but a single-family home or a small hall is not. Break down a single-family home into equally sized—preferably square—support fields (to achieve as many identical elements as possible), there are usually only four (with the consequence of columns literally standing in the middle). So better six and possibly not square, e.g., grid distances 360 by 540?

The big serial builders launch projects several times a year with about forty almost identical housing units each. Most of them have precast plants for stairs and gable triangles; the "rest" is built "brick by brick" (applies to almost all my "usual suspects" as opposed to Deutsche Reihenhaus, which practices panel building and also prefabricates the “front garden cupboards”). The big players in aerated concrete construction (residential construction, hall construction, sand-lime bricks also in the brand portfolio of the group) also offer kit houses (also "BoST," not skeleton construction). Even the GDR built type houses as single-family homes in masonry and only used slab construction in system apartment buildings. The single-family home does not pay off as a skeleton structure—regardless of whatever worldview the responsible designers have. Skeleton construction cannot be scaled down to building classes 1 and 2, mind you, even for row house rows this construction method is not chosen, not even in socialist countries.

By the way, the "filigree slab" is mostly also an in-situ concrete slab and additionally individual, i.e., in a single-family home typically no two fields per floor are identical. Take your cheaply acquired window assortment and install it in a classically planned house "without separate load-bearing structure." You can also get wall panels, e.g., made of expanded clay (monolithically compliant with the Building Energy Act and EH). Even the precast basement providers have no stocked standard modules.
 

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