House construction company with land search in NRW?

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11ant

2023-11-28 15:38:39
  • #1
That a real estate agent is also a sales agent occurs (unlike the other way around) quite frequently. However, I have never heard of a case where the brokerage was provided commission-free just because they arranged the contract... ... conversely, the tax authorities only need an initial doubt that the desired plot was obtained without signing the brokerage contract. It is the presumed interconnection that is sufficient to assume the circumstance of a connected transaction – a strict obligation to contract with a third party is not required for this. See also: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/4-jahre-nach-bau-fordert-amt-grunderwerbsteuer-auch-auf-haus.46285/ The warning about the danger of connected taxation had already been addressed by in post #3, and I did not comment on it for only one reason: because – see my linked explanations of the "construction" of this bait-and-switch scam – the "danger" that the offered plot actually exists (available and in the access of the "service" provider) is extremely close to zero. I can only repeat, do not let your own despair unsettle you: suitable building land is not really as rare on the market as it appears to the tunnel vision of the rabbit.
 

jrth2151

2023-11-28 15:39:01
  • #2
We were right at the beginning of our search back then with Okal Haus, Weberhaus and 2–3 others. All of them promised us a land service, but none of them were really helpful. In the end, it was more of a "walk around and if you see empty plots, just ring somewhere. If necessary, we’ll check the land register for you." service. That wasn’t really helpful. However, we didn’t sign anything either, maybe then more help would have come. But since generally you shouldn’t sign anything without knowing all the details, that’s not really good advice either. Otherwise, take a look at your municipality’s website, there are always the newest new development areas and it’s also worth checking the big banks/real estate agents in the area. Otherwise, the usual websites for scouting.
 

11ant

2023-11-28 15:57:28
  • #3
In a minority of cases, the provider of such a service is actually the prefab house company (and once not their sales agent), but they can’t bake land either. And they regularly don’t have the plots themselves, but only know providers who (or whose co-owners) are fickle and/or have gold-digger price hopes. And building development plan research or even building permit pre-approvals are never the basis of the claim that the "Chantal 165" model is actually buildable there. Even if the providers of the land services are not real estate agents, they like to copy their motto "everything is possible" (equally unchecked). But, as said, you nowhere really "need" them.
 

ypg

2023-11-28 21:56:19
  • #4
Even if it does not fit the question – and if so, only indirectly

I read this repeatedly from you. But it is becoming less and less true because you are exaggerating more and more.
Viebrockhaus is a general contractor who builds turnkey solid houses like other general contractors as well. Viebrockhaus has a very good concept and very good marketing, but that does not mean they are "premium." _Premium_ is just a marketing word like _exclusive_ or _superb_, basically _turnkey_. They are solid.

One must also pay the usual and comparable construction performance description with average values on everything and any extras. Of course, also on services that outwardly make one look like an exquisite house provider. We have many Viebrockhaus houses around us, same year of construction as ours, similar concerns. The Nibe heating apparently causes more concerns, as well as a ventilation concept that was not additionally ordered. Apparently, no one here could afford a tent to protect the shell construction. Price similar to Heinz von Heiden, considering that Viebrockhaus is somewhat more expensive because they maintain services instead of cutting more and more over time.

The 10-year warranty reflects the penalty clauses of their subcontractors, hearsay.
 

11ant

2023-11-29 00:55:10
  • #5
You will also read that often from me because it is absolutely true: no two (nationwide known) providers focus on almost cloned identical customer target groups like Viebrockhaus and Gussek Haus. That means that with no one else can I send interested parties who like one of the two and reject the other solely because of their preference for the building method so "1:1 the same in green" to the respective other as between these two. Even Helma and Heinz von Heiden (in this case even from the same building method faction) differ more from each other than Viebrockhaus and Gussek Haus. And what am I exaggerating about? – The clientele of the two actually has exactly the profile that I described. As you already say yourself: they have very good marketing. That also means that their customers are exactly the same "Pappenheimer" targeted by their advertising and other brand building, spill loss close to zero – at least for now. However, that could soon change: I see tendencies at Viebrockhaus like back then with Mercedes and the 190E 1.8, to open their customer base towards entry-level buyers. Or did you misunderstand my classification in the "premium" segment as a quality judgment on my part? – No, that was only meant to point out to the questioner that Viebrockhaus addresses an income group two octaves higher than the named finishing-house builders Allkauf Haus and Massa Haus. I cannot find them particularly recommendable for this reason either, because they are too non-transparent for me. They reveal far too little to allow an expert to have a proper look at their cards. The regional builders behave much more openly in that regard. However, I will not name any of those here either, because that would be nonsense in a practically D/A/CH-wide forum due to their regionality. Although, with the general contractor of , I would have been really tempted to make an exception. What I wanted to make clear to the questioner here is: Allkauf Haus / Massa Haus and Viebrockhaus / Gussek Haus cannot be compared, that would be a foul play. If you are "right" in one of these two market segments, you are automatically "wrong" in the other, because they are not adjacent but absolutely mutually exclusive. I would also not fully claim that Viebrockhaus has a "good concept," because I see that as applicable exclusively for the sub-area "basic idea of a catalog house"; and there they are on par with Heinz von Heiden (and even Town & Country).
 

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