Floor plan design city villa 140-150 sqm 2 children feedback

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xMisterDx

2022-12-29 15:15:31
  • #1
Moreover, the following applies:
Everyone only cooks with water. Anyone who looks at the catalog of Town & Country and wants a house with the features of Viebrockhaus or Helma will also pay Helma prices.
Probably even more, because the "discounters" are only worthwhile if you take the floor plan as it is (with slight adjustments without having to affect the statics) and do everything yourself from "turnkey" on.

Special requests with Town & Country and other discounters can become exorbitantly expensive.
Especially if, for example, you buy the additional tiles in the planning phase instead of asking the tiler directly later, who is anyway doing the bathrooms.

In this respect, it would actually be advisable to ask around among acquaintances which general contractor (GU) has had good experiences or at least which GU did not cause a moderate disaster.

Otherwise, a reminder, almost like a mantra:
Almost all GUs work with regional craftsmen companies; very few employ their own civil engineers, bricklayers, reinforced concrete workers, etc.
You can be lucky or unlucky depending on which company happens to be available to carry out the work.

You pick 1, 2, or 3 GUs in your price range, compare, and that's it.
I consider it sheer madness to go to 10 or even more GUs and have them make offers, as some acquaintances of ours have done.
I wouldn’t even have the time for that because usually only in the 2nd or 3rd meeting do you get to the core of things.
 

11ant

2022-12-29 17:37:57
  • #2

Where you probably mean "turnkey" more like the stage "weather-tight shell," i.e. "turnkey" in the literal sense that the final front door including the lock cylinder is already installed :) (and nothing more beyond that).
What a Renault Kangoo costs at Mercedes can be easily found out by anyone thanks to the "Citan" model ;-)

It is strongly advised against "sampling bypassing the general contractor," if you sneak something with the subcontractor that as the emerging trade interferes with the acceptance of the general contractor’s work. Dear kids, please do not imitate this!

That’s how it is, and only those who cut costs do it ;-)
Careless, hastily lost offers are a waste of time for both sides, and above all, you should never "continue working" with them. I even claim that a reputable provider would refuse such nonsense. It costs time and money, summons misunderstandings, and ultimately harms the company’s reputation (the customer never blames themselves). You either compare building proposals from the "catalogs" or from the general contractor’s repertoire (don’t forget: how often has this exact model actually been built!), or you inquire with an individual plan in two stages: with the preliminary draft (usually still before the construction method decision), ideally at five or six providers, and later with those placed 1st and 2nd in that comparison (and possibly a third one). Even the fourth general contractor in the semifinals is, as Grandpa Willy would have said, "as unnecessary as a boil." I say this with decades of experience as a professional organizer of tenders.
 

xMisterDx

2022-12-29 17:59:31
  • #3


It will forever remain a mystery to me what is missing in my turnkey house. Everything is included, the bathrooms are tiled, sanitary ceramics are installed, a staircase is built in. Sure, I have to do the remaining floors and walls myself... but what if I can do that myself and have the time?
And there may also be one or two gimmicks missing... but the alternative would have been that I didn’t build at all because other houses were simply too expensive for me. That was already the case in 2019.

But comparing a Renault Kangoo with a Mercedes is really far-fetched...
I drove an F31 320d for a long time, now a Seat Leon. The difference isn’t *that* huge.

That’s also the reason why not everyone out there drives a Mercedes... better a Seat you can afford than no car at all. Right?



I’m the one who accepts the building in the end, not the general contractor.
Of course, if I had tiles laid, I should be aware that I can no longer complain about defects in the screed underneath.

You do have to think that far, that’s true. But if I look at the fact that my neighbor had to buy all additional sockets through the general contractor and pay 100 EUR for it (unfortunately I don’t know whether gross or net), I’m quite glad that I was able to arrange that directly with the electrician for 33 EUR net.
That can become a very expensive “security” you buy if you really let everything go through the general contractor.
 

11ant

2022-12-29 18:13:06
  • #4
It could hardly be a shorter stretch: a Renault Kangoo is practically "from Ratiopharm" the same car as a Mercedes Citan – only in this case the "generic" is the original. Attentive readers know that I drive an Agila A as a daily driver (and yes, the difference to the E420 W124 is gigantic). I was talking about the acceptance of the general contractor’s entire work, and it is regularly a contentious issue whether a self-performed work only stupidly interferes with this or even implicitly itself constitutes such. Conclusion: self-performed work on a general contractor’s work should be well coordinated (including legal advice).
 

xMisterDx

2022-12-30 13:34:53
  • #5


With all due respect, but I’m not interested enough in the private lives of the forum members here to even take notes. Sorry.
And I have to say... the insinuation that a Town & Country house is an Opel Agila A whereas Helma’s house is an E420... that’s quite a cheeky comparison ;)
For the comparison to fit, you’d really have to take a villa, starting at construction costs of €5,000/m² and upwards.



Coherent behavior, yes. I am aware of that.
However, I see nothing currently standing in the way of acceptance, so I simply commissioned the tiler at a rather favorable rate. Whoever wants to have this done via the general contractor with a 50% surcharge or searches on the open market at “I don’t want the work”-offer prices.
By all means.
 

11ant

2022-12-30 15:30:16
  • #6
The second would indeed be cheeky, but overall you seem to be vastly misunderstanding me. A Town & Country house is a great home for any family that doesn't need bling bling Willah - equating it with my daily driver doesn't insult either party in the comparison. However, I didn't make this comparison. You had misunderstood my Kangoo-Citan comparison as if I were looking down on those with statutory insurance (which I do not, as I belong to that group myself - although on application). You further said that the difference between a 3-series and a Leon is rather small - to that (and to nothing else!) I meant not to underestimate the difference between the touring sedan and the everyday car. A Helma house is addressed primarily in marketing to middle earners with "company cars" and at least a full thirteenth salary, but I consider it to be at best on par with the offerings of any local builder. At least with the last sentence, hopefully, we are steering back to the original poster's topic :)
 

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