Double doors with or without a central mullion - difference?

  • Erstellt am 2020-10-06 23:47:33

haydee

2020-10-07 12:49:06
  • #1
We have [Stulp Türen], triple glazed, slightly wider than 2 m.
 

nordanney

2020-10-07 13:12:32
  • #2

Because large elements become really heavy and, in case of doubt, the fittings do not appreciate the weight - in plain English: the door warps (or the window).
I see it myself with my old windows from the 80s. Window sash about 150cm (2-leaf). They hang catastrophically crooked. The new windows will be three-part. Nobody offers me two-part either.
 

Mycraft

2020-10-07 13:23:27
  • #3
We also have French doors. A leaf with triple glazing weighs about 90kg (total width 1.8m). I had to adjust the fittings on the patio door twice in 8 years.
 

hausnrplus25

2020-10-07 14:31:51
  • #4


Okay, I probably just have no idea of your huge windows. We also have a single-leaf window in our apartment that sags due to the weight, but they should have just planned a two-leaf one... but a two-leaf window that wide... well, we’re simply not going to build a glazed house.
 

knalltüte

2020-10-07 17:43:54
  • #5


No idea how big your laundry baskets are. We had the situation where a 1m wide patio door was defective. The entire element was replaced with one with now "only" an 89cm wide door. I consider 1m wide wings extremely unwieldy. They either protrude far into the room or out onto the then less usable terrace. We had the direct comparison now. If necessary, the laundry basket goes lengthwise instead of crosswise through.

Wasn't there also a clear statement from to take large elements only made of aluminum precisely because of this issue (weight, warping etc.)?
 

11ant

2020-10-07 18:38:21
  • #6
"Clear statement" is a big word, violations are not punishable. I would rather call it a "bold recommendation" and it refers to stress elements in general, such as lift-and-slide and folding door systems and similar large elements as well as entrance doors. I don't actually apply this recommendation to the tilt-and-turn door - but I recently had to learn that nowadays increasingly PVC frames without steel reinforcement are offered (which also explains why the provider does not want triple glazing). Although there are also double glazing options with satisfactory thermal transmittance values, I would generally prefer triple glazing: in principle, the insulating effect is more effective in the intermediate space than in the glass mass, so from this perspective one should not actually speak of triple and double glazing, but of two-interspace and one-interspace glazing. The reasons for my recommendation are manifold: for front doors, it is the total weight and the associated fact of slamming with force even when closing quietly, combined with the underestimated frequency of operation; for lift-and-slide doors, the lighter frame helps to compensate the weight of the several large panes a bit, and folding door systems simply have so many joints, guide, and suspension points that more stability is worth the extra cost already because in such a system all imbalances amplify each other (which is why only the best suppliers are used for the fittings). But as I said: if the OP provides the details, my recommendation can also become more specific.
 

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