Cost experiences for possible house construction in rural Bavaria

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Energieverbrat

2022-08-14 09:37:26
  • #1
Forgot something important. I did not take out a KfW loan or Bafa funding. In autumn 2019, interest rates were historically low and we decided on financing with as fixed interest rates as possible.

Our financing consists of three loans.

One loan is for ten years and then fully paid off. This means the monthly installment decreases after ten years, and we fully benefit from inflation, so that the second rented apartment then covers the remaining monthly costs and we can invest our capital elsewhere for retirement. Possibly building another house entirely on our own with several apartments or simply investing in our own company and some stocks.

The second loan has a 15-year fixed interest period and a remaining debt remains, but we can work with special repayments here and refinance after ten years if the conditions improve (flexible), or have an extra five years to fully use the special repayment and then take out a new loan with less remaining debt.

The third loan is an LBS pre-financing loan. This is basically a building savings contract paid out without a savings phase. It runs fixed for 30 years, but you can change the rate monthly as you wish. This loan is used for the rented apartment because most of the interest occurs here and we can deduct that via the tax office. The plan here is long-term to bind little capital and instead invest elsewhere because we benefit twice here through inflation and tax deductions.

If something happens, we can lower or increase the rate and are flexible here. We can also increase the rate in the first few years and thus shorten the term by a few years, but the goal here is fully to benefit from inflation and devalue the sum. This year already almost 9% inflation, so a good start and far above the interest rates.

All loans through the local Sparkasse because it was unproblematic to withdraw larger sums without much questioning and providing many proofs. With online loans, this is often not possible and you cannot save much on wages and materials because then everything must be invoiced.

Energy consultant:
With KfW and an energy consultant, the interest fixation would be over after ten years and a remaining debt would remain, possibly no longer at historically low rates. The energy consultant would also cause costs for seemingly no added value. I dealt with building technology and thermal insulation myself and am currently fully satisfied. Hot water for four adults and five children requires about 80kWh of electricity monthly, half of which is covered by photovoltaics, so 40kWh. Heating is extremely cheap because the system and pipe diameter are optimally designed. Currently, we have about €700 heating costs per year for hot water and heating for 256m2. Later, a battery will be added and the photovoltaics expanded to curb rising energy costs.

If I were to finance now, I would rather tend to take several loans with 10- and 15-year fixed interest periods and then also sometimes KfW per apartment.

The strategy with the second apartment is called house hacking, by the way, and is even rather wanted by the Green government because single-family houses and land sealing are problematic.
 

Snowy36

2022-08-14 09:55:39
  • #2

Why do I have to read pages in this thread about how great this user built when the OP’s question was about pricing, I don’t get it…. yes Energieverbrat you really know your stuff, the Greens would be proud of you… can we continue now?
 

Hausbautraum20

2022-08-14 10:08:42
  • #3


Yes, and then you have to read that it only worked with tax fraud. Quite an achievement!

We also awarded everything ourselves and did a lot ourselves, building at the same time, but we didn't come close to the price per square meter. But I have a suspicion why that is...
 

Energieverbrat

2022-08-14 11:08:15
  • #4


Everyone does it the way that suits them. And I am showing here how, in these absurd times of supply bottlenecks and shortage of craftsmen, with two fully employed partners, you can still build something reasonably and how it can be done inexpensively.

It is not about how great we built, it was actually pure stress and I would definitely have preferred not to have to work so much.

By the way, I found all the craftsmen through family and friends a year before the start. This is called networking and is different from just calling a few companies and then awarding contracts. Basically, the craftsmen were cheap because I did all the material procurement and preparation myself and only paid for hours where I lacked experience or expensive special tools.

Professionals work best when they don’t have to think much, the material is there, and they don’t have to worry about catering and cleaning up etc. That makes work more enjoyable.

For the interior doors I went abroad and negotiated prices with the owner there. That was also laborious. I even ordered the front door myself abroad at the manufacturer and picked it up. The same front door here in Germany through a sales partner would have been €7000, at the manufacturer Innotherm only €3500. The garage door is an aluminum roller door from rollladenplanet.de and also installed by myself, it was about €2300.

The principle of building cheaply is quite simple. For each trade, check where you can get the material at the lowest cost with the fewest intermediaries, then negotiate the price yourself with the boss/manufacturer if possible. Do time-consuming and simple tasks yourself for assembly and only pay professionals where special experience or expensive tools are needed.

Yes, it is not quite easy to find craftsmen who agree to this, so I found all the contacts a year in advance and discussed what I planned and many canceled on me at the beginning or in the middle anyway and there were delays and it was hectic.

For the windows it would also certainly have been possible to order them directly from Internorm, but because of transport from Austria it was too risky for me since I do not own a large transporter with a pallet truck. You always have to weigh carefully here whether you can manage the logistics safely.
 

driver55

2022-08-14 11:37:15
  • #5
The nonsense is just continuing… we know it now. Thanks!
 

Tassimat

2022-08-14 12:31:49
  • #6
I suspect that you assume a prefab house is cheaper. But that is not the case. I would calculate a lower limit of €450,000 (3000€/m²) plus additional construction costs etc. As said, lower limit. Don’t do that, you will never be able to borrow money as cheaply again as before building the house. And as already said, don’t underestimate the issue of the slope. You often can’t just do that yourself so easily anymore.
 

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