neigschmeckt
2019-07-26 22:13:44
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Hello everyone,
some time has passed and we really haven’t made much progress with our planning yet. After what felt like a thousand appointments and meetings, we now have a somewhat suitable offer (in terms of design, not price :-P) from a solid construction company.
Maybe you can give an assessment whether the offer is clearly too expensive or quite realistic. The flat rates of 2000-2500 € per sqm don’t really help me assess. Are we already at the upper end with our equipment or still in the middle … If I only take the house price, we are at 2550 € per sqm including garage, but without incidental construction costs and outdoor facilities.
We have an offer with a house price of 510k.
For this we get:
- Solid house with 36.5 cm aerated concrete
- 11.9 x 8.4 m house; 200 sqm living space (154 sqm ground + upper floor; 46 sqm basement)
- 10 x 7 m garage (roof as roof terrace without covering)
- Knee wall 1.85 m, roof pitch 25 degrees
- Roof insulated up to the ridge
- Architect-engineer services, such as building permit applications, blower door test
- String scaffold, construction electricity, construction toilet, construction water, disposal, storage site setup (on the property)
- Geological survey
- Earthworks, only excavation of the foundation pit and lateral storage (for soil classes 2-5), no transport/disposal
- Drainage, connection of the downpipes, tightness test under the base plate
- Frost-free foundation, gravel filter layer, ..
- Basement with perimeter insulation
- Concrete light shafts
- 5 m Hörmann sectional door, electric; partial railing on garage roof
- Roof tiles: Frankfurt pan
- Air-water heat pump Vitocal 200-A Viessmann (300l); Vitocell 100-V +100-E
- Central ventilation upper floor-basement living area, Vitovent 300-W
- Sanitary Ideal Standard "Connect Air"
- Backwater valve for sewage-containing wastewater 'Pumpfix F'
- Venetian blinds in living/dining kitchen (6x); rest roller shutters
- 3.50 m sliding lift door
- All shading electric
- Tiles up to 30 € per sqm, 20/20 wall and 30/60 floor; entire ground floor, bathroom/toilet and stairwell basement
- Vinyl planks 2 mm thick, glued, incl. screed height adjustment in living room basement and entire upper floor
- Woodchip wallpaper painted white, except for basement rooms and garage, here only paint
- Solid wood staircase (standard is ugly)
In addition, according to my calculations:
- 25k material costs for outdoor facilities (very optimistic :-/ ... should be done as much as possible in self-construction)
- 15k for fence
- 25k earthworks transport
- 3k building application
- 400 € chemical soil analysis
- 2k € surveying of the house
- 10k house connection for utilities
- 5220 € for technology (satellite system and power cables in the garden)
- 25k kitchen
- 15500 € other odds and ends like lamps, furniture etc.
- 10750 € upgrade for staircase, doors, colored windows, ..
--> 652k €
and suddenly that is 152k over my pain threshold for a move-in ready house.
some time has passed and we really haven’t made much progress with our planning yet. After what felt like a thousand appointments and meetings, we now have a somewhat suitable offer (in terms of design, not price :-P) from a solid construction company.
Maybe you can give an assessment whether the offer is clearly too expensive or quite realistic. The flat rates of 2000-2500 € per sqm don’t really help me assess. Are we already at the upper end with our equipment or still in the middle … If I only take the house price, we are at 2550 € per sqm including garage, but without incidental construction costs and outdoor facilities.
We have an offer with a house price of 510k.
For this we get:
- Solid house with 36.5 cm aerated concrete
- 11.9 x 8.4 m house; 200 sqm living space (154 sqm ground + upper floor; 46 sqm basement)
- 10 x 7 m garage (roof as roof terrace without covering)
- Knee wall 1.85 m, roof pitch 25 degrees
- Roof insulated up to the ridge
- Architect-engineer services, such as building permit applications, blower door test
- String scaffold, construction electricity, construction toilet, construction water, disposal, storage site setup (on the property)
- Geological survey
- Earthworks, only excavation of the foundation pit and lateral storage (for soil classes 2-5), no transport/disposal
- Drainage, connection of the downpipes, tightness test under the base plate
- Frost-free foundation, gravel filter layer, ..
- Basement with perimeter insulation
- Concrete light shafts
- 5 m Hörmann sectional door, electric; partial railing on garage roof
- Roof tiles: Frankfurt pan
- Air-water heat pump Vitocal 200-A Viessmann (300l); Vitocell 100-V +100-E
- Central ventilation upper floor-basement living area, Vitovent 300-W
- Sanitary Ideal Standard "Connect Air"
- Backwater valve for sewage-containing wastewater 'Pumpfix F'
- Venetian blinds in living/dining kitchen (6x); rest roller shutters
- 3.50 m sliding lift door
- All shading electric
- Tiles up to 30 € per sqm, 20/20 wall and 30/60 floor; entire ground floor, bathroom/toilet and stairwell basement
- Vinyl planks 2 mm thick, glued, incl. screed height adjustment in living room basement and entire upper floor
- Woodchip wallpaper painted white, except for basement rooms and garage, here only paint
- Solid wood staircase (standard is ugly)
In addition, according to my calculations:
- 25k material costs for outdoor facilities (very optimistic :-/ ... should be done as much as possible in self-construction)
- 15k for fence
- 25k earthworks transport
- 3k building application
- 400 € chemical soil analysis
- 2k € surveying of the house
- 10k house connection for utilities
- 5220 € for technology (satellite system and power cables in the garden)
- 25k kitchen
- 15500 € other odds and ends like lamps, furniture etc.
- 10750 € upgrade for staircase, doors, colored windows, ..
--> 652k €
and suddenly that is 152k over my pain threshold for a move-in ready house.