Alfgard
2019-05-15 10:48:08
- #1
Hello everyone,
I need help interpreting the new KfW funding guidelines for Baukindergeld, which have been in effect since 17.05.2019.
Perhaps I am just missing something.
According to the new guidelines, among other things, the following is no longer supported:
"(...) the acquisition or transfer of ownership between relatives of a household member in the direct line (for example: children, parents, grandparents, great-grandparents),(...)"
I understand that this refers to the case where the grandparents sell the house, for example, to the son (who has the children).
But who exactly is a "household member" and who/what are the "between relatives"?
A household member is, for example, the wife, and the "between relatives" would then be the acquisition between the husband’s parents and him (or vice versa)? That makes sense to me.
In my opinion, however, the wording is "strange". Shouldn’t it say:
"(...) the acquisition or transfer of ownership FROM relatives TO A household member in the direct line (for example: children, parents, grandparents, great-grandparents),(...)"
A phone inquiry at KfW led to somewhat "rough" answers.
It did not get better when I asked what happens with a sale to the daughter-in-law or son-in-law.
They said that this case is also "clearly included".
In my opinion, the wording does not support that. The daughter-in-law is not directly related to the parents-in-law, but related by marriage.
Only she is registered in the land register when buying from the grandparents.
I do not see that as an "acquisition between relatives of a household member in the direct line".
If I use legally defined terms like "first-degree relatives," then I must stick to them and cannot simply say that this of course also includes the daughter-in-law as a "first-degree relative by marriage."
Moreover, despite community of accrued gains, family law would not attribute it to the husband (§ 1363 Civil Code): The respective assets of the spouses do not become their joint assets; this also applies to assets acquired by a spouse after the marriage).
What is your take on this?
P.S. In my opinion, the entire regulation is poorly thought out, or these cases could have already been foreseen a year ago and blocked with a formulation such as "Acquisition of real estate by/from first-degree relatives is not supported."
Whereas acquisition from uncle/brother etc. is still possible.... briefly thinking, the parents could transfer the property to the uncle and he could sell it shortly afterward to the nephew (of course with additional costs).
I need help interpreting the new KfW funding guidelines for Baukindergeld, which have been in effect since 17.05.2019.
Perhaps I am just missing something.
According to the new guidelines, among other things, the following is no longer supported:
"(...) the acquisition or transfer of ownership between relatives of a household member in the direct line (for example: children, parents, grandparents, great-grandparents),(...)"
I understand that this refers to the case where the grandparents sell the house, for example, to the son (who has the children).
But who exactly is a "household member" and who/what are the "between relatives"?
A household member is, for example, the wife, and the "between relatives" would then be the acquisition between the husband’s parents and him (or vice versa)? That makes sense to me.
In my opinion, however, the wording is "strange". Shouldn’t it say:
"(...) the acquisition or transfer of ownership FROM relatives TO A household member in the direct line (for example: children, parents, grandparents, great-grandparents),(...)"
A phone inquiry at KfW led to somewhat "rough" answers.
It did not get better when I asked what happens with a sale to the daughter-in-law or son-in-law.
They said that this case is also "clearly included".
In my opinion, the wording does not support that. The daughter-in-law is not directly related to the parents-in-law, but related by marriage.
Only she is registered in the land register when buying from the grandparents.
I do not see that as an "acquisition between relatives of a household member in the direct line".
If I use legally defined terms like "first-degree relatives," then I must stick to them and cannot simply say that this of course also includes the daughter-in-law as a "first-degree relative by marriage."
Moreover, despite community of accrued gains, family law would not attribute it to the husband (§ 1363 Civil Code): The respective assets of the spouses do not become their joint assets; this also applies to assets acquired by a spouse after the marriage).
What is your take on this?
P.S. In my opinion, the entire regulation is poorly thought out, or these cases could have already been foreseen a year ago and blocked with a formulation such as "Acquisition of real estate by/from first-degree relatives is not supported."
Whereas acquisition from uncle/brother etc. is still possible.... briefly thinking, the parents could transfer the property to the uncle and he could sell it shortly afterward to the nephew (of course with additional costs).