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Even in our play street, people speed, all delivery services, strangers, "shortcuts," and sometimes also residents.

Hello,
we also live in a so-called 7-zone... but nobody has ever driven 7 km/h here, and neither have I. I just can't do it. The huge disadvantage here is the lack of parking spaces; when visitors come, they first have to go for a walk . However, we are now building again in a new development area with a traffic-calmed zone, our children are almost grown up (16 + 12)... I also wouldn't mind a 30-zone, we will soon live in a small cul-de-sac with 4 houses, where acceleration will be difficult. As you can see, I am rather against the 7-zone.

Has anyone really ever tried driving at walking speed through a residential area? I can still remember my driving school days when my instructor used to annoy me with that.
With a petrol engine, that means 1st gear and idle speed, with a diesel you even have to keep your foot on the brake at idle.

Just try it out and then decide if you really want that.
And don't forget, from 30 km/h you already get points!!!

Just try it out and then decide if you really want it. And don’t forget, from 30 km/h there are already points!!!

I always drive only 20 km/h in our 30 km/h street because children can suddenly run out everywhere. If parking spaces are missing, that is bad planning! Either the residents built too little or there are too few public parking spaces. I would find it nice if people put their cars in their garages and not on the sidewalk, so that you don’t have to move onto the street with the children. In a 30 km/h zone, people drive 40 / 50 – then it gets tight with "moving onto the street." Especially in residential areas, car traffic should be pushed back and subordinated to pedestrian / bicycle traffic. But this is from my personal point of view: - very small plots (to play ball you have to go onto the public street) - big city location (one car is enough – one parking space is always free for visitors anyway – even though we are the exception here, there are always at least 5 public parking spaces free in our street at the moment) - coexistence on the street is more important than the 10 seconds time saving when driving 50,...

I see it the same way as Wastl.

I can quite understand the argument about parking spaces if it really is a problem. Because at least in the Musketier housing area, which raised the issue, it is not. There are plenty of public parking spaces less than 100 meters away. And if I actually have visitors who have difficulty walking, I can still clear my own parking space and park my car in the public spaces. That is what they are there for.

Hat es wirklich schon mal jemand versucht Schrittgeschwindigkeit durch ein Wohngebiet zu fahren?

Yes, I have. And even if you don’t drive 7 km/h but 10 or 15 km/h, that is still better than driving 30 km/h through a residential area, which unfortunately some people do, even those who have small children themselves. At some street corners it is already so unclear because you can’t see whether a car or children are coming around the corner due to the vegetation. If there are cars parked everywhere on the street, it doesn’t make the problem any better.

Bei uns im Baugebiet kam auch schon die Frage auf, ob man aus unserer Straße nicht eine Spielstraße machen sollte.

Have you ever looked at the development plan? The entire housing area is designated as a traffic-calmed zone. Only unfortunately, no one (yet) has implemented that.

First of all, everyone here apparently talks about traffic-calmed areas (VBB). These can be recognized by traffic sign plan 325. But there are also play streets. No vehicle is really allowed to enter there. A play street consists of traffic sign plan 250 together with ZZ 1010-10. By the way, I completely agree with Wastl. Parking spaces can also be marked in traffic-calmed areas. If some think they can't drive 7 km/h with their vehicle, they should perhaps take it to a workshop and have it checked or simply not participate in road traffic with this vehicle, because it apparently does not seem to be STVO-compliant. I am aware that almost no one adheres to walking speed in the VBB. The dangerous ones are those who "speed through" at significantly excessive speeds to save 3 seconds. Unfortunately, that is still the majority. Residents are no better. And woe betide if you, as a pedestrian, do not immediately jump aside. Even children have to end their "play" immediately so that not a second of time is lost. But to come back to the original question: Since neighbors apparently are not averse to a VBB, there is nothing against requesting one from the city. It is certainly an advantage if you can mobilize as many neighbors as possible for the cause. However, you should already know the correct terminology (traffic-calmed area, play street). I currently live in a VBB as well. Until sometime in the 90s, it was not a VBB but signed with a 30 km/h speed limit. This was also changed to a VBB by initiation of residents. So it is indeed possible to achieve something as a citizen. And a VBB is always preferable in terms of quality of stay for people compared to other measures, unless you perhaps live in a completely car-free settlement.