Honigkuchen
2009-01-10 10:46:18
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Geothermal energy provides cooling??? no no no...
Hello Florea,
no no no, you have completely misunderstood something - it’s called GeoTHERMAL energy, not Geo cooling :)
The earth inside - especially at a certain depth - is warmer than, for example, the outside temperature in winter.
A geothermal heat pump “taps” into this geothermal energy, this temperature difference to the outside temperature, and brings it into your house.
Please read here so you can see all the advantages and disadvantages:
A heat pump (geothermal heating) draws electricity from the grid and drives a compressor that extracts additional heat from the ground or groundwater. As a result, for one part of electricity, an additional 2 to 3 parts of free heat come from nature.
Advantages of geothermal heating
Low space requirement, no storage room necessary
(+) Absolutely safe operation
(+) Fully automatic, therefore very comfortable
(+) Low operating costs if the conditions are right
(+) Environmentally preferable to oil or often gas heating
Disadvantages of geothermal heating
(-) Economically viable only for well-insulated houses
(-) Investment costs are higher than other heating systems. Always make a total cost calculation.
(-) An electric heater is often additionally required in the bathroom to quickly heat it up
(-) An additional system is advantageous for hot water preparation, as the heat pump’s coefficient of performance significantly decreases when working at the higher temperature level needed for hot water. This causes additional costs.
(-) The ecological balance is worse than for pellet heating systems because in winter the electricity partly comes from fossil fuels
(-) Large garden area required (or expensive deep drilling)
(-) Maximum possible flow temperature is limited (approx. 60°C guideline). For radiator heating and poorly insulated buildings, this may be too low (so caution is advised when renewing heating systems without thermal renovation).
(-) Use of a heat pump as a hot water heat pump in addition to the existing (conventional) heating system: consider whether hot water production with the heating system (in winter) and a solar system (in summer) is more economical.
Conclusion: Expensive acquisition costs, only amortizes if the conditions are right for you, and you still have to add and pay for 1 part of electricity for every 2-3 parts of geothermal energy.
Also, no one guarantees that the spot drilled into the earth to extract heat will still be hot/warm enough in a few years to heat your house!
That means: it might need to be drilled again in a few years, which is very expensive, as you surely know.
Here is a link on the topic of heat pumps:
Heat pump, requirements for optimal operation
Here are the different types of heat pumps:
Heat pump, geothermal heating, heat sources
Here is an overview of different heating options, from oil to heat pump:
Energy carriers (geothermal, pellets, oil, natural gas, district heating,...)
All in all, for me personally - and also according to a specialist magazine from 2008 on heating, solar energy etc. - the combination of solar energy (for hot water preparation) with a stove that burns some kind of wood (firewood, wood chips or pellets, possibly also a combination stove pellets/wood chips) and can support not only heating but also hot water when solar is insufficient, is more economical for most people than the combo solar + heat pump.
Have both systems calculated for your individual house and energy needs. Because that varies depending on insulation and size of the house.
Weigh up pros and cons, such as running costs (including maintenance), and guarantee of durability (as mentioned, nobody guarantees that the geothermal source tapped remains as warm forever!), and how easy and expensive it is to repair a potentially broken part of the heating system you choose!
And what do you do if, as some do (for cost reasons), you live rather rurally or even in a city and there is another power outage? Then you can forget about your (quite electricity-demanding) heat pump and hopefully you have a large buffer tank to draw warm water from for a long time!
Or, as we plan, you have a mini combined heat and power plant for such emergencies that can produce emergency power.
For these deep drills, you usually also need permission from the city/municipality, which you might not always get due to groundwater or other reasons; if you want to use groundwater as a heat source, you especially need permission from them.
So, read everything thoroughly - the Austrian site is very informative anyway, so read it all :)
Best regards
Honigkuchen
But I think geothermal energy is very long-lasting... because if the inside of the earth no longer provides cold (which is heated by the heat pump), then there would be no more life on our planet, right?
Hello Florea,
no no no, you have completely misunderstood something - it’s called GeoTHERMAL energy, not Geo cooling :)
The earth inside - especially at a certain depth - is warmer than, for example, the outside temperature in winter.
A geothermal heat pump “taps” into this geothermal energy, this temperature difference to the outside temperature, and brings it into your house.
Please read here so you can see all the advantages and disadvantages:
A heat pump (geothermal heating) draws electricity from the grid and drives a compressor that extracts additional heat from the ground or groundwater. As a result, for one part of electricity, an additional 2 to 3 parts of free heat come from nature.
Advantages of geothermal heating
Low space requirement, no storage room necessary
(+) Absolutely safe operation
(+) Fully automatic, therefore very comfortable
(+) Low operating costs if the conditions are right
(+) Environmentally preferable to oil or often gas heating
Disadvantages of geothermal heating
(-) Economically viable only for well-insulated houses
(-) Investment costs are higher than other heating systems. Always make a total cost calculation.
(-) An electric heater is often additionally required in the bathroom to quickly heat it up
(-) An additional system is advantageous for hot water preparation, as the heat pump’s coefficient of performance significantly decreases when working at the higher temperature level needed for hot water. This causes additional costs.
(-) The ecological balance is worse than for pellet heating systems because in winter the electricity partly comes from fossil fuels
(-) Large garden area required (or expensive deep drilling)
(-) Maximum possible flow temperature is limited (approx. 60°C guideline). For radiator heating and poorly insulated buildings, this may be too low (so caution is advised when renewing heating systems without thermal renovation).
(-) Use of a heat pump as a hot water heat pump in addition to the existing (conventional) heating system: consider whether hot water production with the heating system (in winter) and a solar system (in summer) is more economical.
Conclusion: Expensive acquisition costs, only amortizes if the conditions are right for you, and you still have to add and pay for 1 part of electricity for every 2-3 parts of geothermal energy.
Also, no one guarantees that the spot drilled into the earth to extract heat will still be hot/warm enough in a few years to heat your house!
That means: it might need to be drilled again in a few years, which is very expensive, as you surely know.
Here is a link on the topic of heat pumps:
Heat pump, requirements for optimal operation
Here are the different types of heat pumps:
Heat pump, geothermal heating, heat sources
Here is an overview of different heating options, from oil to heat pump:
Energy carriers (geothermal, pellets, oil, natural gas, district heating,...)
All in all, for me personally - and also according to a specialist magazine from 2008 on heating, solar energy etc. - the combination of solar energy (for hot water preparation) with a stove that burns some kind of wood (firewood, wood chips or pellets, possibly also a combination stove pellets/wood chips) and can support not only heating but also hot water when solar is insufficient, is more economical for most people than the combo solar + heat pump.
Have both systems calculated for your individual house and energy needs. Because that varies depending on insulation and size of the house.
Weigh up pros and cons, such as running costs (including maintenance), and guarantee of durability (as mentioned, nobody guarantees that the geothermal source tapped remains as warm forever!), and how easy and expensive it is to repair a potentially broken part of the heating system you choose!
And what do you do if, as some do (for cost reasons), you live rather rurally or even in a city and there is another power outage? Then you can forget about your (quite electricity-demanding) heat pump and hopefully you have a large buffer tank to draw warm water from for a long time!
Or, as we plan, you have a mini combined heat and power plant for such emergencies that can produce emergency power.
For these deep drills, you usually also need permission from the city/municipality, which you might not always get due to groundwater or other reasons; if you want to use groundwater as a heat source, you especially need permission from them.
So, read everything thoroughly - the Austrian site is very informative anyway, so read it all :)
Best regards
Honigkuchen