Which windows and doors are recommended?

First of all, thank you very much for your responses. At least regarding burglary protection, I have now made a small step forward. Since only 4 of the 17 windows are on the upper floor, these will probably also be executed according to RC 2 N – it shouldn’t be a wave of additional costs.

I don’t really believe that a burglar would risk breaking their neck by standing on a trash bin trying to break open a window on the upper floor, but nothing prevents them from bringing a ladder.

I will probably also get some advice from the police.

What I am still very interested in, however, is how the attacks on the handle olives are carried out. How do burglars open them from the outside? How much does a lock or push button help? Why do they get into a locked window with a key inserted just as easily as into one with a normal or push button handle?

Apart from that, I am still missing experience reports and opinions on the choice of manufacturers Schüco and Garant.

The targeted Hörmann LPU 40 sectional door with electric drive is certified as burglar-resistant, but unfortunately I could not yet find out if it is comparable to RC 2 for windows and doors.

Basically, I would like the garage not to be an easy target either.

Of course, I am aware that someone who really wants to get in can also get in at RC 2, but basically, the house just has to be harder to break into than the neighbor’s. ^^

Best regards, Markus

Hello Markus,

What still interests me greatly is how the attacks on the handle olives take place. How do the burglars open them from the outside? To what extent does a lock or push button help? Why do they get into a locked window with a key inserted just as easily as one with a normal or push button olive?

Contrary to my predecessor, I see no problem whether it is installed with a key or push button. The RC II N version consists of hard metal; the hardest drill bit a burglar can acquire is made of hard metal. Hard metal on hard metal results in a draw; whether with button or key.

Apart from that, I am still missing experience reports and opinions on the choice of the manufacturer Schüco

This supplier had, in my opinion, quality problems in the past, which is why we have not used their products for several years. However, I do not know how things stand today; but I am also a creature of habit.

With all this, of course I am aware that someone who really wants to get in will also get in at RC 2, but basically the house only has to be harder to crack than the neighbor's. ^^

Burglars want to get in quickly and as quietly as possible; all measures that make it harder for them are well-invested money!

Rhenish regards

Hello building expert, that really sounds interesting. What advantage or purpose do the versions with push button or key have at all?

I have no clue, but I tend to agree instinctively with Wastl’s answer; if and insofar children belong to the household.

As I said ...

As you can see from Sebastian’s answer, you probably won’t get a reliable answer here in the forum; unless we have a window fitter among us and he reads your post.

So best to keep pestering the window company doing the installation until you have understood everything and can make a decision

Rhenish greetings

Sometimes I really believe that you are lurking... the exciting question is why? Why don’t you use your energy – also based on your recent conversation with your window maker – to provide the OP with a usable answer to their question?

You are definitely wrong – why would I be lurking? I received a notification for the subscribed topic and statements like that just make me suspicious – especially since you yourself write that you have no idea. However, you enjoy a certain expertise in this forum – so maybe you should handle that carefully – especially since it apparently doesn’t even interest you.

Again: RC2N has nothing to do with an extra-hard fitting or profile... someone could be falsely reassured by that statement.

I have no clue, but my gut feeling leans towards Wastl’s answer; if and insofar as children belong to the household.

As you can see from Sebastian’s answer, you probably won’t get a reliable answer here in the forum; unless we have a window maker among us and he reads your post.

So it’s best to pester the window company doing the work until you understand everything and can make a decision

Rhenish greetings

Regarding the locks, I have realized that this is certainly sensible at least on the upper floors. And on the ground floor at least when you’re on vacation, certainly as well.

On the ground floor, however, I would prefer push buttons for aesthetic and comfort reasons. It’s not clear to me how relevant it is whether the key is in the lock or not, or how it makes a difference whether I have a push button or a lock that can be locked. I always thought it was about preventing the operation of the mechanism. Since an intruder can hardly operate a push button from the outside, I don’t understand why this is less secure than a lock, which also can’t be operated from the outside.

Where is my thinking or understanding error here?

Of course, it would also be most sensible to simply ask a window maker, but I like to be informed in advance to be able to assess whether he knows what he’s talking about or is just trying to sell me something unnecessary or doesn’t know what he’s talking about himself.

I have just requested an appointment at the nearest police advice center to see what they have to say about this.

You are definitely wrong – why should I lurk? I received a notification for the subscribed topic and such statements just make me suspicious – especially since you yourself write that you have no idea. However, in this forum you enjoy a certain level of expertise – so maybe you should be careful with that – especially since you apparently don’t even care.

Again: RC2N has nothing to do with an extra-hard fitting or profile... someone could be lulled into a false sense of security by that statement.

Doesn't RC 2 already include special plates as drilling protection? Unless these are made of extra-hard metal and not penetrable with any cheap metal drill, they would make no sense at all?