Which heat pump is most suitable for our new building?

  • Erstellt am 2013-06-10 22:01:45

€uro

2013-06-13 06:09:43
  • #1
This is done by an MEP planner. This includes the calculation of the actual demand (power, energy) for heating, hot water, and possibly ventilation. Heating load included. The expected consumption is also determined with this. Not a few prospective builders are of the opinion that the final energy indicated in the Energy Saving Ordinance/KfW certificate is the actual consumption. This is not the case! If needed, gladly a private message or direct e-mail to me. See above. At least it should be someone with the appropriate professional training who also has nothing to do with sales or installation. Simply to avoid conflicts of interest. For a rough general overview, that may perhaps be useful. However, this stage has already been surpassed here, as concrete parameters for the specific building project have to be determined. v.g.
 

Bauexperte

2013-06-13 12:22:33
  • #2
Hello,


In my experience, you can save yourself the latter - and as €uro rightly pointed out, you are already too far along for that.

Go to the energy agency; Aunt Google will show you the way. I have had the best experiences with them; they provide neutral information.

Rhenish greetings
 

TripleB

2013-08-25 23:35:50
  • #3
Hello everyone,

after having to focus more on other topics in recent weeks, I recently commissioned a heating load calculation from an independent MEP planner according to DIN 12831. However, I have changed my mind about one thing. Basement 1 + 2 will not receive underfloor heating and will therefore not be heated...

To be honest, the heating load calculation does not really help me much at this point in deciding whether it is smartest to use an air heat pump, a ground source heat pump, or whatever else, so I also hope for more advice from you based on this.

How is it generally handled, is the capacity of the heating system exactly designed according to the determined building heating load, or is it recommended to include a buffer upwards? If yes, about how much?

Thank you in advance for your support!

Best regards
TripleB
 

€uro

2013-08-26 11:32:05
  • #4
Hello,
The creator should be independent, but whether an MEP planner? ;-) I know this type of printout quite well by now ;-)
The HLB is formally incorrect!!! Accordingly, everything that follows from it! Whether there might still be "skeletons" in the closet regarding the component geometry cannot be assessed like this. Who created the air volume schedule according to DIN 1946-6 for this?
Nobody can reliably answer this with certainty, since, for example, the actual energy demand for heating and hot water is unknown. With high demand, a ground source heat pump would probably be interesting; with low demand, an air heat pump. For ground source heat pumps, the source design plays a decisive role, and for air heat pumps, the performance curve evaluation, each in relation to the regional climate parameters, if one is interested in an economical solution.
The tendency is as follows:
With low to moderate insulation standard of the building and cool to moderate external temperature patterns, rather a ground source heat pump.
With moderate to very good insulation standard of the building and moderate to mild external temperature patterns, rather an air heat pump.
The boundaries are fluid.
Provided the HLB is correct, the heat generator is sized accordingly, because this is what it is intended for! :) Buffers (performance surcharges) upwards do more harm than actual good.
You can see here that comprehensive planning/dimensioning is worthwhile:

However, you don’t get that at a bargain price.

Best regards
 

TripleB

2013-08-26 13:13:50
  • #5


Why is the HLB formally incorrect? It would be good to also receive explanations or further information on this. What about the design of the underfloor heating, is that also incorrect?



What exactly is meant by that? I don’t understand...

What should I do now with this matter – throw it away, demand a refund/write it off? Is the part completely unusable? A heating engineer came up with similar, slightly higher values regarding the HLB...

Kind regards
TripleB
 

€uro

2013-08-26 13:55:34
  • #6
Why do I have to provide a reason for this? Where is the air volume plan according to 1946-6? Contact the creator of this poor performance, who has been compensated for it.
That should be obvious, because if the room heat loads are wrong, the underfloor heating design based on them is also wrong.
Likewise, the subsequent hydraulics based on it (pipe network calculation)!
Guesswork!
 

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