What is feasible on the existing property and budget

  • Erstellt am 2019-03-08 13:12:29

haydee

2019-03-08 20:39:41
  • #1
Timber frame or stone on stone. I’m betting on timber frame

Where does the street run?

I would plan it similarly to us.
Southeast garage and yard
Next to it the basement with
Living, dining, terrace in the west
Entrance in the south
Bathroom south
Kitchen southwest
Building services has the windowless room between garage, slope, stairs
Upstairs bedrooms, bathroom, utility room access to the north
Gable roof

Terrace on the roof is really living on a platter

We moved in in 2018, with a slope the 500,000 will be insanely tight.
You have to save every shovel of earth and every square meter.
Exterior work in EL sounds simple. Retaining wall, earthworks that is slave labor very quickly without mechanical help like excavators, concrete pumps

The costs mentioned above are not enough for earthworks and garage
 

Zaba12

2019-03-08 20:45:17
  • #2
I told you, the OP does not ask this question in this form without ulterior motives. The offer from the general contractor is too expensive, and a house with individual planning from separate trades can, but does not have to be more expensive. At least it will not be cheaper, but rather more unpredictable, as long as no offers are available.

My architect calculated 400€ per cubic meter of enclosed space in 2017. You can gladly budget the brick garage at 150€. That would then be just the bare construction costs for a piece of house with garage without incidental construction costs, architect, kitchen, landscaping, and bathroom finishing in 2017.
 

haydee

2019-03-08 20:53:29
  • #3
By the way, our aerial work platform, higher garage, 3rd garage parking space or carport, swimming pond, and Aga stove have also fallen victim to the budget.

At the point where you are now, we all were
 

neigschmeckt

2019-03-08 21:23:42
  • #4
Thank you very, very much 11ant for the detailed answer and explanation!!
A disgrace for the companies we have already asked, who could not explain this to us even though we asked repeatedly whether the implementation with the basement was realistic and whether this should be understood with the reference height as in our sketch.


If we have to assume the actual ground level, then I completely agree with you.
Own research did not help me with the reference height and the general contractors did not enlighten us further.
That brings me back closer to my original idea of planning the garages to the north at the property boundary and creating a connection to the main building through an entrance canopy or carport. Then there will probably be a long driveway.


As I said, we assumed that our ground floor will be at 210.5 and we would have to move earth masses for the garden and retain them. Only in this way did the garage with the roof terrace roof come about.


What is a "Fuchs" level? Google does not know it either .


Here I am little willing to compromise. Such a low knee wall is acceptable to me only if the floor area is huge. Then the children's room would easily be 20 sqm, the bathroom 15 or more …
Likewise, I rather imagine knee wall windows than roof windows, which require a certain knee wall height. Unless one of you can convince me of unbreakable roof window shutters that can or may be used even in difficult weather (frost).


The offer is complete nonsense. Absolutely opaque, all desired positions not listed, and then, as 11ant has now explained, not feasible at all. About 450k for 200 sqm (floor area incl. walls 104 sqm, with residential basement) house. Hardly any windows, without carport, with prefab double garage, no outdoor area.

Another rough offer from a prefab house company would be about 360k. Here, after our own calculations with 550k with everything included, we would then be in the race, i.e. also kitchen for 25k, garage for 40k included.


I actually wanted to hear that it still somehow works :-P … I'm already trying to get used to laminate flooring to gain one more sqm for the garage. We no longer mention the 3.50m height and the lift we would like to have … Although the 3rd garage or carport is a must. I neither want to get into a boiling hot car nor have to scrape ice off. It doesn't have to be built in the first 2 years, but in the 3rd .


The first offer is timber frame.
The one with our calculations for a total of 550k as well.




The garage would initially be only for the vintage cars, so it does not necessarily have to be on the main driveway and doubly drivable with the yard. With 9 m length, the oldtimers could also be parked one behind the other.
Here we have to/can rethink again now.


I don’t care, whoever wants to look can look. I just want to see something too.
 

haydee

2019-03-08 21:40:55
  • #5
Thought I with wooden studs.

Use the basement as a full living space. Remove a floor.

Garage you can position the garage and have walls built so that you can add another floor later.

Foundation as if
Walls to normal height
Then no concrete ceiling, but roof rafters and some kind of covering on top
 

neigschmeckt

2019-03-08 22:07:36
  • #6



Good idea.


Are there floor plans or pictures of your house here? I need some floor plan inspiration to imagine it ...
 

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