Kiri123
2016-06-20 20:41:07
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Hello everyone,
I am currently thinking about the ventilation in our planned new build (details: Kfw 70, 2 full floors + basement + cold attic, hip roof, 200m² living space). We live in the countryside and also like to keep the windows open. So we do not necessarily have to completely forego window ventilation.
I am torn between central controlled residential ventilation with heat recovery, central exhaust with decentralized supply air, and decentralized supply/exhaust air with heat recovery. The requirements I have are:
• Ventilation of the bathrooms (master bathroom, children's bathroom without windows, and guest WC without windows). With demand-controlled ventilation depending on usage
• I want to avoid having to ventilate through the windows every few hours while still maintaining high air quality
• Not too loud, I am very sensitive to noise when I want to sleep
• I am also sensitive to dry air, for example, I cannot tolerate air from air conditioning systems or in sports halls very well
The pros and cons of the individual systems, as I see them, I have listed below:
Central controlled residential ventilation
+ the most mature system
- expensive (I estimate about 10k€ to 13k€)
- more complex planning including suspending and boxing in the ducts
- (I heard from a provider of decentralized ventilation systems: as soon as I turn the ventilation up in the living room, more warm air is blown into the bedroom --> not desirable)
- The air quality of the prefabricated houses with controlled residential ventilation that we visited was always very poor. That makes me skeptical as well
Central exhaust with decentralized supply air
+ cheaper (maybe 2-3k€?)
+ should meet minimum requirements
- wasted energy (or can I use the heat energy somewhere else? I plan to use an air-water heat pump for heating and hot water generation. Maybe I can use the heat here in a sensible way). But I was advised against a complete exhaust air heat pump. Maybe there are combined exhaust/outdoor air heat pumps?
- cold due to decentralized supply air? (but I have also read that this is not a problem with reasonable planning because the supply air from outside mixes “sensibly” with the existing air)
- somehow contradicts the idea of energy-efficient houses. Nevertheless, this is probably more efficient than having the windows tilted open continuously.
Decentralized ventilation with heat recovery
+ If I just put one of these fans in the living-dining area and the master and children's bathrooms (+ ventilation of the WC), the minimum requirements should be met. I estimate about 3k€ for this (1k€ per device)
- If I want to cover all other rooms to completely avoid window ventilation, it will be more expensive (maybe ~8k€) and:
- I get a lot of holes in the building envelope
- I hesitate to install these things in bedrooms or children's rooms because I think they can be too loud.
Can you perhaps help me with the decision-making? Maybe by sharing your experience or confirming or refuting some of my arguments? I would also like to look at various fans in practice. Do you have any tips for that? I heard that you can do this somewhere in Berlin, but I come from the postal code area 5xxxx.
I look forward to your opinions.
Kiri
I am currently thinking about the ventilation in our planned new build (details: Kfw 70, 2 full floors + basement + cold attic, hip roof, 200m² living space). We live in the countryside and also like to keep the windows open. So we do not necessarily have to completely forego window ventilation.
I am torn between central controlled residential ventilation with heat recovery, central exhaust with decentralized supply air, and decentralized supply/exhaust air with heat recovery. The requirements I have are:
• Ventilation of the bathrooms (master bathroom, children's bathroom without windows, and guest WC without windows). With demand-controlled ventilation depending on usage
• I want to avoid having to ventilate through the windows every few hours while still maintaining high air quality
• Not too loud, I am very sensitive to noise when I want to sleep
• I am also sensitive to dry air, for example, I cannot tolerate air from air conditioning systems or in sports halls very well
The pros and cons of the individual systems, as I see them, I have listed below:
Central controlled residential ventilation
+ the most mature system
- expensive (I estimate about 10k€ to 13k€)
- more complex planning including suspending and boxing in the ducts
- (I heard from a provider of decentralized ventilation systems: as soon as I turn the ventilation up in the living room, more warm air is blown into the bedroom --> not desirable)
- The air quality of the prefabricated houses with controlled residential ventilation that we visited was always very poor. That makes me skeptical as well
Central exhaust with decentralized supply air
+ cheaper (maybe 2-3k€?)
+ should meet minimum requirements
- wasted energy (or can I use the heat energy somewhere else? I plan to use an air-water heat pump for heating and hot water generation. Maybe I can use the heat here in a sensible way). But I was advised against a complete exhaust air heat pump. Maybe there are combined exhaust/outdoor air heat pumps?
- cold due to decentralized supply air? (but I have also read that this is not a problem with reasonable planning because the supply air from outside mixes “sensibly” with the existing air)
- somehow contradicts the idea of energy-efficient houses. Nevertheless, this is probably more efficient than having the windows tilted open continuously.
Decentralized ventilation with heat recovery
+ If I just put one of these fans in the living-dining area and the master and children's bathrooms (+ ventilation of the WC), the minimum requirements should be met. I estimate about 3k€ for this (1k€ per device)
- If I want to cover all other rooms to completely avoid window ventilation, it will be more expensive (maybe ~8k€) and:
- I get a lot of holes in the building envelope
- I hesitate to install these things in bedrooms or children's rooms because I think they can be too loud.
Can you perhaps help me with the decision-making? Maybe by sharing your experience or confirming or refuting some of my arguments? I would also like to look at various fans in practice. Do you have any tips for that? I heard that you can do this somewhere in Berlin, but I come from the postal code area 5xxxx.
I look forward to your opinions.
Kiri