Sullivan
2014-02-10 16:10:46
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Dear all,
I am currently looking for a plot of land, but I am not making much progress because the resulting costs can vary greatly, which significantly affects my remaining budget.
I House type
As a house type, I would like a single-family house in the Bauhaus style, but with brick cladding. My wife would prefer a "normal" house with a gable roof or half-hipped roof, but she would go along with it if no (high) additional costs would result. In my opinion, the Bauhaus style, due to its presumably more favorable ratio of volume to exterior surface and the flat roof, should be cheaper than a similarly equipped "normal" house, right?
II Plot and costs
We currently live in the outskirts of Hamburg in S-H, and we like this area very much, but the connections (traffic, shops, schools) are rather poor. If we were to move closer to Hamburg, however, the plot prices would rise. Currently, they are around €250/sqm with us; closer to Hamburg (depending on the district) they are €350/sqm, €440/sqm, up to €550/sqm.
Although I am calculating with, what I consider to be, a generous total budget of about EUR 650K (170K equity), I quickly reach my budget limit with a desired plot size of 800 sqm (minimum 700 sqm), especially since I cannot reliably estimate the house costs.
Since plots are in high demand here, they are sometimes reserved after 2–3 days, and one may have to commit within 14 days, including the bank’s financing commitment. Since I cannot plan a house including costs plus development plan restrictions within this timeframe, I want to clarify as many questions as possible in advance.
Therefore, I would appreciate your feedback on the overall project as well as the expected costs so that I can refine the plot search accordingly.
III Size and equipment
The house should include the following rooms; how do you assess these sizes, is anything missing?
3 children’s rooms (each 18 sqm) 54
Bedroom 20
Kitchen 15? (separate room, no open kitchen)
Guest room 18
Library 25
Dining room 20
Study 16 (possibly in the basement)
Living room 40
Total living area 193
Usable area (25% of living area) 48
Ground area 240
Are the bathrooms (2–3) included in the usable area, or do I have to calculate extra space for these?
Is the approach to usable area so realistic?
The house should have a full basement, a central ventilation system with heat recovery, underfloor heating, and a stove. A garage would be nice but is not a priority.
An architect once quoted me as a ballpark figure EUR 400K (including incidental building costs) for these requirements, but without a basement, but including the garage and floor coverings at €30/sqm. This fits with the frequently mentioned €2,000/sqm, but what level of equipment can I expect within this?
What it ultimately comes down to: if you think that the house outlined above in "really nice" quality is only available for e.g. > 450K+ x, then I would limit myself to the "cheap" plots and perhaps buy a larger one there. If the house can be realized for 350K-400K in "really nice" quality, then I would consider financing up to 100K more and looking for a better-connected plot.
Finally: if I accept the restriction that the first upper floor may only be 60% of the living area of the ground floor, how large would the plot need to be in your experience so that the maximum buildable area is sufficient (I know: the development plans are all different ...)?
Many thanks
Sullivan
I am currently looking for a plot of land, but I am not making much progress because the resulting costs can vary greatly, which significantly affects my remaining budget.
I House type
As a house type, I would like a single-family house in the Bauhaus style, but with brick cladding. My wife would prefer a "normal" house with a gable roof or half-hipped roof, but she would go along with it if no (high) additional costs would result. In my opinion, the Bauhaus style, due to its presumably more favorable ratio of volume to exterior surface and the flat roof, should be cheaper than a similarly equipped "normal" house, right?
II Plot and costs
We currently live in the outskirts of Hamburg in S-H, and we like this area very much, but the connections (traffic, shops, schools) are rather poor. If we were to move closer to Hamburg, however, the plot prices would rise. Currently, they are around €250/sqm with us; closer to Hamburg (depending on the district) they are €350/sqm, €440/sqm, up to €550/sqm.
Although I am calculating with, what I consider to be, a generous total budget of about EUR 650K (170K equity), I quickly reach my budget limit with a desired plot size of 800 sqm (minimum 700 sqm), especially since I cannot reliably estimate the house costs.
Since plots are in high demand here, they are sometimes reserved after 2–3 days, and one may have to commit within 14 days, including the bank’s financing commitment. Since I cannot plan a house including costs plus development plan restrictions within this timeframe, I want to clarify as many questions as possible in advance.
Therefore, I would appreciate your feedback on the overall project as well as the expected costs so that I can refine the plot search accordingly.
III Size and equipment
The house should include the following rooms; how do you assess these sizes, is anything missing?
3 children’s rooms (each 18 sqm) 54
Bedroom 20
Kitchen 15? (separate room, no open kitchen)
Guest room 18
Library 25
Dining room 20
Study 16 (possibly in the basement)
Living room 40
Total living area 193
Usable area (25% of living area) 48
Ground area 240
Are the bathrooms (2–3) included in the usable area, or do I have to calculate extra space for these?
Is the approach to usable area so realistic?
The house should have a full basement, a central ventilation system with heat recovery, underfloor heating, and a stove. A garage would be nice but is not a priority.
An architect once quoted me as a ballpark figure EUR 400K (including incidental building costs) for these requirements, but without a basement, but including the garage and floor coverings at €30/sqm. This fits with the frequently mentioned €2,000/sqm, but what level of equipment can I expect within this?
What it ultimately comes down to: if you think that the house outlined above in "really nice" quality is only available for e.g. > 450K+ x, then I would limit myself to the "cheap" plots and perhaps buy a larger one there. If the house can be realized for 350K-400K in "really nice" quality, then I would consider financing up to 100K more and looking for a better-connected plot.
Finally: if I accept the restriction that the first upper floor may only be 60% of the living area of the ground floor, how large would the plot need to be in your experience so that the maximum buildable area is sufficient (I know: the development plans are all different ...)?
Many thanks
Sullivan