Hutchinson123
2021-02-02 17:32:36
- #1
Hello everyone,
My girlfriend and I have long been planning to escape our very dark two-room apartment and fulfill our dream of owning a home. However, we can only now start to pursue this because my girlfriend’s employment was made permanent in December 2020 after much back and forth.
General information about you:
Income and asset situation:
Expense situation:
Expenses that are already included in other positions can of course be omitted. This list is not exhaustive and can be expanded or summarized at will. Please make sure to state all costs monthly, even if they occur only annually!
Housing costs:
Mobility costs:
Insurance costs:
Living expenses:
Savings:
Other expenses:
Total income and expenditure:
We aim for a maximum annuity of 1200 EUR (preferably less), plus about 400 EUR ancillary costs for the future house.
Overall, we would like to manage with 1500 EUR warm, which corresponds to an additional burden of 900 EUR compared to our current apartment. Accordingly, the 500-600 EUR savings should be feasible. Special repayments should also be saved or used for special expenses.
General information about the property:
We don’t have a specific property in sight. The supply has been almost completely thinned out for several months.
Our location (northeastern commuter belt of Hamburg) is highly sought after and unfortunately one of the most expensive regions.
We are looking for a single-family house or a semi-detached house in a somewhat more rural part of our district. In the past few months, I have seen some interesting properties in the range of 350,000-400,000 EUR on the common portals.
100-120 sqm and at least 4 rooms with normal fittings are sufficient for us. A fireplace, underfloor heating etc. are welcome but not necessary. Ideally, a still reasonably modern property from the 90s or early 2000s.
A plot of 350-400 sqm is absolutely sufficient, although more is always possible.
Last week we went to Dr. Klein for an initial consultation and had conditions calculated based on an example that a friendly realtor sent us. The house is in the village where I mostly grew up.
Prices there (as of course everywhere here) have shot up sharply in recent years.
Unfortunately, we will not take the property because it does not fit optimally due to the location (girlfriend's commute).
It is an EDI house (prefabricated house from builder Emil Dittmer -> Google) from 1972 on 600 sqm land in a nice side street near my parents’ house.
New heating in 2020, new windows in 2008, various other measures in recent years, very well maintained and basically ready to move in. Fully basemented, 3 rooms with 94 sqm plus expansion reserve in the already insulated attic.
The total cost is supposed to be 425,000 EUR
We found the house quite suitable as an example and had it calculated by Dr. Klein
Construction or purchase costs:
Cost summary:
Necessary loan details:
(for multiple components please provide for all components, for different variants clearly separate them):
Example 1 (15 years fixed interest + KFW 124):
Main loan via 1822direkt:
KFW 124 via IB.SH:
Example 2 (20 years fixed interest + KFW 124):
Main loan via PSD Nord:
KFW 124 via IB.SH (as in Example 1):
What do you think about it? I found the offer with 0.8 % for 15 years remarkably cheap. The next bank was at 0.9 %.
Is that really realistic with 100% purchase price financing?
According to the Dr. Klein advisor, the KFW portion favors the main financing.
He recalculated as a comparison what 15 years without KFW would cost: 1.3 % with 1,267 EUR monthly.
Basically, I would like to note that of course we would prefer to spend a little less. But it also depends on the individual property. Finding something here will certainly be difficult and time-consuming. All possible channels are already activated.
A small note on salary and co.:
My girlfriend will move to the next experience level in a year and then earn over 2,300 EUR net per month.
Collective agreement adjustments usually happen every year. Accordingly, I think that even with a child and one year of parental leave and subsequent 75% position, we will be financially quite solid. We are not particularly "luxury-oriented" and like to pitch in ourselves.
2% repayment is of course not much but I think the residual debt at the end of the fixed interest period is quite manageable for this region with good growth.
Rent is unfortunately not an option because reasonably nice apartments here also easily cost 1,200 EUR warm and we don’t want to live in an apartment either.
I would be very happy about your input/advice.
Many thanks in advance and have a nice evening.
My girlfriend and I have long been planning to escape our very dark two-room apartment and fulfill our dream of owning a home. However, we can only now start to pursue this because my girlfriend’s employment was made permanent in December 2020 after much back and forth.
General information about you:
[*]Who are you? Couple, unmarried
[*]How old are you? She: 30, He: 33
[*]Do you have children? No
[*]Are children planned? Yes, one, probably in 2-4 years
[*]What do you do professionally? She: Employee in the public sector, He: Commercial employee
[*]How many hours do you work? Both full-time, 38 and 39 hours respectively
Income and asset situation:
[*]What income do you have (net)? She: 2100 EUR net, He 2050 EUR net, special payments of about 3500 EUR per year come on top
[*]How much equity do you have? 55,000 EUR, saved by ourselves in the last 2.5 years, increasing monthly by about 1500 EUR
[*]How much equity do you want to invest in the house project? Only the purchase ancillary costs (property transfer tax, broker, notary)
Expense situation:
Expenses that are already included in other positions can of course be omitted. This list is not exhaustive and can be expanded or summarized at will. Please make sure to state all costs monthly, even if they occur only annually!
Housing costs:
[*]Current rent including utilities: 500 EUR
[*]Electricity: 59 EUR (thanks to home office ;-) )
[*]Gas: included in rent
[*]Water, sewage: 14 EUR
[*]Telephone, internet, mobile: 40 EUR for landline + internet, 35 EUR for both mobiles, 10 EUR for Sky Ticket
Mobility costs:
[*]Monthly ticket for bus and train (also for the kids!) – already deducted from his net income
[*]Car loan (or savings rate for a new car) – none
[*]Insurance: about 80 EUR per month for two cars together
[*]Taxes: 4 EUR and 40 EUR per month
[*]Fuel: about 200 EUR
[*]Repairs: hard to quantify as maintenance and most repairs are done ourselves. Estimated 200 EUR per month. Expensive repairs are very cheap through connections
Insurance costs:
[*]Private health insurance (also supplementary health insurance, daily sickness allowance etc.) – no
[*]Liability insurance: about 8 EUR per month
[*]Capital or term life insurance: no
[*]Pension insurance (also Riester, Rürup, etc.): currently all dormant
[*]Disability insurance: He: 36 EUR per month, She: no
[*]Accident insurance: no
[*]Household insurance: 3 EUR per month
[*]Legal protection insurance: no
[*]Other insurance (such as travel insurance, funeral insurance): He: ADAC Plus 8 EUR per month
Living expenses:
[*]Groceries: 340 EUR per month (fixed budget)
[*]Restaurant costs: 50-100 EUR per month
[*]Care/drugstore: included in the 340 EUR, she additionally: 15 EUR per month
[*]Pets (food, vet, medication, stable costs): currently rabbits (six years old): 40 EUR per month
[*]Medication: no
[*]Clothing: 200 EUR per month (her only vice ;-)
[*]Furniture: 50 per month
[*]Club fees/gym: no
[*]Miscellaneous: trips, small purchases, "fun expenses": 400 EUR per month (??)
Savings:
[*]Vacation: She: 800 - 1000 EUR per month, He: 750 EUR per month
Other expenses:
[*]No other expenses, no consumer credit etc.
[*]Vacation (based on the last three years): 1600 EUR per year, roughly 150 EUR per month
Total income and expenditure:
[*]Total income: 4150 EUR plus special payments
[*]Total expenses: 2532 EUR
[*]Balance: 1618 EUR
[*]Of which cold rent sum and dispensable savings (e.g. savings rate for house): about 400 EUR cold rent, we want to save together at least 500 EUR per month in the future, so we subtract 1000 EUR from the previous savings rate. That leaves 500-600 EUR left
We aim for a maximum annuity of 1200 EUR (preferably less), plus about 400 EUR ancillary costs for the future house.
Overall, we would like to manage with 1500 EUR warm, which corresponds to an additional burden of 900 EUR compared to our current apartment. Accordingly, the 500-600 EUR savings should be feasible. Special repayments should also be saved or used for special expenses.
General information about the property:
We don’t have a specific property in sight. The supply has been almost completely thinned out for several months.
Our location (northeastern commuter belt of Hamburg) is highly sought after and unfortunately one of the most expensive regions.
We are looking for a single-family house or a semi-detached house in a somewhat more rural part of our district. In the past few months, I have seen some interesting properties in the range of 350,000-400,000 EUR on the common portals.
100-120 sqm and at least 4 rooms with normal fittings are sufficient for us. A fireplace, underfloor heating etc. are welcome but not necessary. Ideally, a still reasonably modern property from the 90s or early 2000s.
A plot of 350-400 sqm is absolutely sufficient, although more is always possible.
Last week we went to Dr. Klein for an initial consultation and had conditions calculated based on an example that a friendly realtor sent us. The house is in the village where I mostly grew up.
Prices there (as of course everywhere here) have shot up sharply in recent years.
Unfortunately, we will not take the property because it does not fit optimally due to the location (girlfriend's commute).
It is an EDI house (prefabricated house from builder Emil Dittmer -> Google) from 1972 on 600 sqm land in a nice side street near my parents’ house.
New heating in 2020, new windows in 2008, various other measures in recent years, very well maintained and basically ready to move in. Fully basemented, 3 rooms with 94 sqm plus expansion reserve in the already insulated attic.
The total cost is supposed to be 425,000 EUR
We found the house quite suitable as an example and had it calculated by Dr. Klein
Construction or purchase costs:
[*]Purchase price: 425,000 EUR
[*]Acquisition ancillary costs (notary, court, property transfer tax, broker): 48,000 EUR
Cost summary:
[*]Total costs 473,000 EUR
[*]Deductible equity: 48,000 EUR (the rest is to serve as a buffer/iron reserve)
[*]Financing amount: 425,000 EUR
Necessary loan details:
(for multiple components please provide for all components, for different variants clearly separate them):
Example 1 (15 years fixed interest + KFW 124):
Main loan via 1822direkt:
[*]Loan amount: 325,000 EUR
[*]Type of loan (e.g. annuity loan, bullet loan etc.): annuity loan
[*]Interest rate (p.a. nominal, otherwise effective): 0.78 %
[*]Fixed interest period: 15 years
[*]Remaining debt at end of fixed period: 221,000 EUR
[*]Fictitious total duration until full repayment: 42 years
[*]Initial repayment rate: 2 %
[*]Monthly rate: 752.92 EUR
[*]Special repayments possible? (Amount specified): 5 % p.a.
[*]Repayment rate change possible? (Conditions such as number, repayment rate range specified): once, 2-5 %
KFW 124 via IB.SH:
[*]Loan amount: 125,000 EUR
[*]Type of loan (e.g. annuity loan, bullet loan etc.): annuity loan
[*]Interest rate (p.a. nominal, otherwise effective): 0.84 %
[*]Fixed interest period: 10 years
[*]Remaining debt at end of fixed period: 64,839 EUR
[*]Fictitious total duration until full repayment: 25 years
[*]Initial repayment rate: 3.762 %
[*]Monthly rate: 383.52 EUR
[*]Special repayments possible? (Amount specified): 5 % p.a.
[*]Repayment rate change possible? (Conditions such as number, repayment rate range specified): once, 2-5 %
Example 2 (20 years fixed interest + KFW 124):
Main loan via PSD Nord:
[*]Loan amount: 325,000 EUR
[*]Type of loan (e.g. annuity loan, bullet loan etc.): annuity loan
[*]Interest rate (p.a. nominal, otherwise effective): 1.07 %
[*]Fixed interest period: 20 years
[*]Remaining debt at end of fixed period: 180,000 EUR
[*]Fictitious total duration until full repayment: 40 years
[*]Initial repayment rate: 2 %
[*]Monthly rate: 831.46 EUR
[*]Special repayments possible? (Amount specified): no
[*]Repayment rate change possible? (Conditions such as number, repayment rate range specified): three times, 2-5 %
KFW 124 via IB.SH (as in Example 1):
[*]Loan amount: 125,000 EUR
[*]Type of loan (e.g. annuity loan, bullet loan etc.): annuity loan
[*]Interest rate (p.a. nominal, otherwise effective): 0.84 %
[*]Fixed interest period: 10 years
[*]Remaining debt at end of fixed period: 64,839 EUR
[*]Fictitious total duration until full repayment: 25 years
[*]Initial repayment rate: 3.762 %
[*]Monthly rate: 383.52 EUR
[*]Special repayments possible? (Amount specified): 5 % p.a.
[*]Repayment rate change possible? (Conditions such as number, repayment rate range specified): once, 2-5 %
What do you think about it? I found the offer with 0.8 % for 15 years remarkably cheap. The next bank was at 0.9 %.
Is that really realistic with 100% purchase price financing?
According to the Dr. Klein advisor, the KFW portion favors the main financing.
He recalculated as a comparison what 15 years without KFW would cost: 1.3 % with 1,267 EUR monthly.
Basically, I would like to note that of course we would prefer to spend a little less. But it also depends on the individual property. Finding something here will certainly be difficult and time-consuming. All possible channels are already activated.
A small note on salary and co.:
My girlfriend will move to the next experience level in a year and then earn over 2,300 EUR net per month.
Collective agreement adjustments usually happen every year. Accordingly, I think that even with a child and one year of parental leave and subsequent 75% position, we will be financially quite solid. We are not particularly "luxury-oriented" and like to pitch in ourselves.
2% repayment is of course not much but I think the residual debt at the end of the fixed interest period is quite manageable for this region with good growth.
Rent is unfortunately not an option because reasonably nice apartments here also easily cost 1,200 EUR warm and we don’t want to live in an apartment either.
I would be very happy about your input/advice.
Many thanks in advance and have a nice evening.