Plot/Floor Plan - Decision Aid?

Hello!

We thought we’d finally register here as well. We have already read and learned a lot, but we just can’t get any further with our specific problem.

We have a plot in sight (long story – finally one that we can get, nice and flat, in a new development area, good size, affordable, etc.) and the development plan is still driving us crazy. At first, we read the entry 2 VG and thought great! – then somewhere came a sentence that the maximum eaves height is limited to 4 m.

Well, that means a knee wall of maximum 1 m upstairs (we currently have 80 cm and know why we actually don’t want such a low knee wall anymore). That means sensible placement of wardrobes upstairs is not possible. Additionally, the roof pitch of 30–38° is specified, so the house width is already defined.

Our ideas differ from the standard house.

Since the knee wall is impractical in the children’s rooms, we have the idea of the following layout:

Idea 1 - Upstairs parents’ area
Ground floor: living/dining area, kitchen, 3 rooms, children’s bathroom, guest WC, wardrobe, small pantry
Attic: parents’ bathroom, gallery, bedroom, dressing room, office

The whole thing can be large, but should not look like a big block from outside.

Alternative idea 2 - classic
Ground floor: living/dining area, kitchen, guest WC, wardrobe, small pantry, office
Attic: parents’ area (bedroom, dressing room, bathroom), 3 rooms, children’s bathroom

Do you have any ideas on how to nicely realize this in a floor plan? Or even an example of it?
At Luxhaus there is a floor plan that already comes very close to the whole thing, but unfortunately in a flat roof version (we would take it right away) but that is unfortunately not allowed there.

What we like about idea 1 is that the parents’ area is separated and so is the children’s area. It may sound a bit cold at first, but later when they are older, it will definitely be great for everyone to be able to retreat. The office on a different floor than the children’s rooms is practically a must. So that some noise can be shielded and it must be possible to work all day. The knee wall does not bother us here in the mentioned rooms in the attic and can be beautified with built-in wardrobes. BUT: The whole thing becomes huge in terms of floor area (my first sketches resulted in 17x10 m house area). Living/dining area must be at least 60 sqm.

Idea 2 is the standard. Does anyone here have experience with such a knee wall and children’s rooms? Please feel free to comment on our ideas.

Thanks!!!!


Development plan/restrictions
Plot size 760 sqm
Slope – no
Floor area ratio – 0.4
Floor space index – 0.6
Building window, building line and boundary – large
Edge development – possible
Number of parking spaces – 1 per 50 sqm living space
Number of stories – 2 stories (in theory)
Roof type – gable roof, double-pitched shed roof (offset of 1.5 m possible)
Style – modern
Orientation – free
Maximum heights/limits – max 4 m eaves height, 7.5 m ridge
Further requirements – roof pitch 30-38°

Clients’ requirements
Style, roof type, building type – modern, special
Basement, floors – basement, ground floor, attic
Number of people, age – 4 (2 adults + 2 children)
Room requirements on ground and upper floor – see text
Office: family use or home office? both
Guests per year (0)
Open or closed architecture – open
Conservative or modern construction – modern
Open kitchen, cooking island – yes, both

BUT: The whole thing becomes huge in terms of floor area (my first sketches resulted in a 17x10 m house area).

That could end up being tight with the floor area ratio...

Idea 2 is kind of the standard. Does anyone here have experience with such a kneewall and children's rooms? Please feel free to comment on our ideas.

I personally find that better. Kids on the ground floor? You’re partying while the kids have to sleep – great thing. The kids should rather find their home upstairs.
And you don't necessarily have to put wardrobes against the exterior walls. There are sufficiently high interior walls. Especially since you want to build generously anyway.

In the end, of course, everything has to fit the budget. With 17x10 for the house, the first 3/4 million is gone for the house.

80 is already low...

That means placing practical wardrobes up there is not possible.

Since the knee wall in the children's rooms is impractical, we have the idea of the following layout:

I don’t see such a problem at all. Practical wardrobes are behind doors, and those are in the middle of a house, not under the sloping roof. Where the standing height is limited, built-in shelves/wardrobes or sleeping niches for children can be created.

Additionally, the roof pitch of 30-38° is specified, so the house width is also predetermined.

Oh...

The living/dining area must be at least 60sqm.

I generally calculated 50sqm for kitchen, dining, and living when reading. That put me at 110/120 sqm on the ground floor (including 3 children's rooms), while the attic only needs 50sqm, so a complete mismatch in space requirements between ground floor and attic.

I therefore see the attic more as a children's zone.

But without a plot, you can advise nothing at all, and I see it as the architect's task to get the best out of a given eaves height, e.g., with tricks, calculations, and dormers.

Or 3rd idea: Parents' area on the ground floor and the three children's rooms and the office on the upper floor. I would find that more sensible

With the right planning, I see the matter completely relaxed. What does the [Bebauungsplan] say about dormers and cross gables? How big are they allowed to be, if permitted at all? Otherwise, find a professional and have something planned. This is less a question of the layout and more a question of money given the bonfortionous wish list, I think.

Classic layout.
Otherwise, the house will be a huge box. It has to be paid for.
In case of disharmony, I would tend towards the bungalow with a converted roof.

Check out [Pinterest] for [Kniestock] ideas, [Drempel] closet.
Wardrobe as suggested by [YPG].

How old are the children anyway?