Piercing in Halox cans - Who is liable for that?

I am just stuck in the middle and so far, mentally, I was more with my electrician because I didn’t find it great when he got an email at 3 p.m. saying he could start piping the next morning. Which company can manage that and always have people on call? I can’t imagine that being planned that way.

Then it’s going to get funny. The general contractor won’t learn from it; they don’t care. I will have the problem later because if the ceiling is concreted, there is no clearance, and the electrician then refuses to drill; then I have to figure out what to do.

Annoying. But it can’t be changed; so hiring an electrician who installs a system no one wants just because he is under the general contractor’s umbrella is not the solution either.

Okay, then I have taken in some opinions that somewhat relativize my previous assessment. Thanks.

Your general contractor will learn from the incident and refuse the removal of the electrical system for the next customer.

We had that explicitly included as an option before signing the contract. Otherwise, someone else would have built the house. But that was never an issue for the general contractor from the start.

With the general contractor, one would just have had to take Loxone. And we didn’t want that.

The general contractor and his craftsmen are used to doing things differently and is leaving his usual mode for you. That can probably lead to friction. Has your electrician also said why he needs approval for that? Others only drill through the concrete and do not lay empty conduits inside, but only on top. Both ways are possible. Does he believe the ceiling above him will collapse? Or are there ventilation ducts in the concrete, the position of which must be known?

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The general contractor will be used to doing things differently with his craftsmen and is leaving his usual mode for you. That can probably lead to friction

Regardless of the sensibility of such an approval, which I cannot judge, I think the electrician could have expected at least to get a reply to his email. He wrote politely that, as discussed on the phone, he will drill through the Halox boxes but requests a written approval for this. One can then discuss the matter in terms of content. But simply ignoring it is not very polite either.

I was satisfied with both companies from the beginning and started with a good feeling. That has not completely turned into the opposite so far, and I think it could be much worse. Of course, it’s a pity that it doesn’t work out between them at this point. I think it’s simply a communication problem. The electrician suspects it’s because they might be upset about having to dismantle the electrical work....

Did your electrician also say why he needs an approval for that?

He only mentioned liability issues. I would have to ask again for the exact details. In any case, it is a well-established electrical specialist company and not a tinkerer from around the corner.

Or are there ventilation pipes in the concrete whose position needs to be known?

Yes, the house is getting a controlled residential ventilation system. I suspect the electrician just wants to get his thing done and not bother to study dozens of other partial trades unnecessarily; but I don’t know for sure. I really don’t care. He requested the approval, and if one doesn’t want to give it to him, then one has to consult with me. Then I would have had to enforce that the two find a joint appointment for the piping that allows at least half a day lead time. If that caused a delay of one or two days, then so be it... As a layman, I really don’t see a problem with that.

On the other hand, it’s really silly that the piping didn’t happen at all because of the short lead time. But that was over a week ago. The concrete was supposed to be poured one day after the notification. But it still hasn’t been poured to this day! I do wonder why, after the delay became known, there wasn’t an opportunity to approach me or the electrician again to choose the simpler and more practical way. There was a delay because Poroton was missing. The upper floor is supposed to be finished by the end of the new week, which hasn’t even been started yet. But again, there was no Poroton on the construction site on Saturday. I’m curious.

As I said, I think the coin has two sides.

Have you spoken to your [GU] about why he hasn't signed it yet? It seemed like everything was settled. Or has he already communicated that he will not do it?

I wrote to the GU. I can't reach anyone there on Sundays.

Really surprising, the whole thing. I will find out tomorrow morning.

I assume they quickly gave a verbal agreement, but when it comes to issuing something in writing and ...... taking responsibility...... they reconsider whether it was such a good idea. That's how I see it.

On the other hand, it’s really crazy that the piping didn’t happen at all because of the short supply run. But that was over a week ago. Concrete was supposed to be poured a day after the notification. But until today, no concrete has been poured! I do wonder why there wasn’t an opportunity to reach out to me or the electrician after the delay became known to choose the simpler and more practical way. There was a delay because Poroton was missing. By the end of the new week, the upper floor is supposed to be finished, which hasn’t even been started yet. But on Saturday, again, there was no Poroton on the construction site. I’m curious.

So when I read this, I wonder how flexible your electrician is. Another week of delay after the notification. So he didn’t find a single hour all week to nail the cables in there and insists on an approval. Seriously??