No special repayments possible with loans. How to save money?

  • Erstellt am 2018-09-16 16:40:21

Spunk

2018-09-17 12:43:46
  • #1
Building savings plans are not worthwhile for such amounts... and 100k is too much for building savings.

So, the basics of wealth building:
Go to a comparison site (fmh, Biallo, Focus, Check24, etc.) and find a daily allowance account. Nothing with promotional interest rates but rather good long-term interest rates (Rabo, Renault Bank direkt, etc.)
Open a TG account and transfer the monthly installment by standing order.

Once your liquidity reserve is built up (or better yet, already available), shift the money from the TG account into fixed-term deposits. Again, go to the above comparison sites (or additionally Zinspilot, Weltsparen) and look for fixed deposits. I would fix the term of the fixed deposit to max. 3 years. There is nothing more stupid than having to borrow your own money (in case something happens with the house or car, etc.).

And with 0.5% interest over 15 years (where do you even get that?), I wouldn’t pay off a single cent early. Even after taxes, the fixed deposit investment yields more, and inflation is higher. Then you have 15 years, and that’s when the stock market becomes interesting. So it’s worth considering ETFs. (finanzwesir for reading up on the topic).

With a monthly rate of 400€, you could put 150€ into TG/FD hopping, another 150€ into ETFs, and 100€ as a reserve. With ETFs, the question arises whether to invest everything in the EU (DAX, EuroStoxx) or 50/50 with the US (S&P 500, DowJones) or split 1/3 each with EM markets, depending on personal preference. justetf has everything in the selection.
With distributing ETFs, you can also ride out the bad years and borrow against the securities portfolio (in addition to the house).

And on the side: 200k for a house doesn’t sound like new construction, expected repairs make ETFs obsolete.

: reversed: 300€ *12 months *15 years = 54,000€ plus interest
In ’s calculation: you get a remaining debt of 30k from the building society as an unsecured loan, at least as an employee, I don’t know about the self-employed.
 

Kekse

2018-09-17 13:18:51
  • #2
In the savings phase of the home savings contract, however, it would not be €300 but €225. It makes no sense to compare two variants with completely different conditions.
 

Spunk

2018-09-17 17:44:56
  • #3
: So, you're right... I immediately discarded the building savings contract... Too expensive, too inflexible and then TE self-employed, it’s not worth it. For 100k BSp, a 1,000€ or 1,400€ arrangement fee is due, and there are no interest payments either. The interest of the first two subsequent years with an alternative investment is practically already covered. And in 15 years the building savings contract costs 578€ monthly. With an outstanding debt of 50k, that is about 14% total installment (583€), with 30k even 23% (575€). Quick xls: 5.95% interest + 8% repayment on 50k are 581.25€ monthly and 114 months (9.5 years). Everything else is of course even faster. Hm, why should the proposed Bsp at 2.15% and 578€ monthly also take 10 years? Did I miscalculate? Or are the 2.15% nominal and the effective rate is significantly higher?
 

Babelee

2018-09-17 21:44:32
  • #4
: Thank you very much for your very detailed explanations.

and also thanks to the others for your input regarding the daily allowance in combination with fixed deposit.
I have almost decided on this option I still have to discuss it with my wife, but she was somehow against the building savings contract right from the start.

: I looked again very carefully. The exact payout amount is 105,000 EUR
savings interest rate is 0.1%
contribution in the savings phase: 255.00 EUR duration: 01.06.2018 to 01.06.2032
effective annual interest rate: 2.38%
amount in the loan phase 578.00 EUR duration 01.06.2032 to 30.11.2042

Now the figures should be correct, right

Thanks again to everyone, you have helped me a lot.
I'm not really good with money, so I'm a bit helpless in this regard.
 

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