Make our new building smart

EnOcean is quite good for messing around or as a supplement to an existing system.

Of course, smart home also works without KNX. But if you want the jack of all trades, then KNX is the standard you should rely on.

Otherwise, KNX can also be affordable. You just have to find the right partner.

The Squaire at Frankfurt Airport has been automated with Enocean. Using 30,000 components. But of course, that's child's play.... Honestly, compared to that, KNX is child's play for snobs.

You don't have to get offended right away if you don't like the system or disagree with the politics. But that's just how it is.

Whole airports are automated or, in modern terms, made "smart" with KNX. EnOcean can gladly serve as a supplement, as your example wonderfully shows.

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With KNX, probably not even half the number of devices would have been necessary to achieve the same goal. EnOcean has to rely more on quantity rather than quality, simply because the structure and restrictions of the system require it.

But that doesn't help the OP. You can rely on all sorts of things. Ultimately, it only depends on how simple and comfortable operation, maintenance, reliability, flexibility, and future-proofing are. And in that respect, KNX is far ahead, then there's a long gap, and then everyone else.

I am by no means offended but something does not become more correct just because it is repeated constantly. KNX is certainly not flexible. Try laying a new bus cable in a freshly plastered house to a new location. Above all, it is not flexible compared to Enocean. It is certainly not simple either. Or why would I need the 1000€ professional software, which is actually not intended for end users? Why it can be maintained more easily also does not become clear to me. And future-proofness remains to be seen. Enocean is certainly older than KNX. And cheap/expensive is probably no longer a criterion here...

KNX is certainly not flexible. Just try laying a new bus cable in a freshly plastered house in a new location.

I do that from time to time, it’s no problem, especially in a freshly plastered house everything is still possible. But even if there is already paint or wallpaper, it’s not a big deal. Just because someone can’t imagine how something is done doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Besides, with KNX you plan ahead and lay the cable everywhere in advance.
Also here: if you don’t know how it works, you don’t have to claim it’s impossible and everything is inflexible. And renovations happen from time to time as well, then you can throw in even more cables if there is a demand.

KNX is much more flexible than it seems at first glance. Unfortunately, for many, the first glance is the end.

It’s certainly not easy either. Or why would I need the 1000€ professional software, which actually isn’t intended for end users?

Well, creating an Excel sheet with nested functions is more difficult. The professional software is rarely needed in a normal single-family house and 1000€ is also only the recommended retail price, nobody actually pays that.

Enocean is certainly older than KNX.

Ah, here again poorly researched half-truths and nonsense. When EnOcean was still a dream in the minds of Siemens engineers, KNX was already getting serious and the big players had merged into a alliance. By the way, thousands of installations have already been running across Europe for decades. Because KNX (=EIB) originated already in the mid-80s. Back then, it emerged from the Instagruppe which came from C-Bus, which is still used nowadays in Australia and New Zealand etc.

A small fact on the side: There are still installations from the very beginning and they are still running, and you can still find and buy the devices from back then today. You can then integrate these into a modern KNX installation (usually without the slightest problems with two or three mouse clicks).

Second fact on the side: One of my power supplies in the house I have had since 1999, and it has been more or less continuously in operation over the years, also in the new house. It was simply too good to throw away. It is functional, which is the rule with KNX devices and not the exception. This is one reason for the price, among others. Once bought, it works for decades and doesn’t need to be touched again.

And future-proofing still has to prove itself.

With EnOcean yes, the future will show whether it ever leaves its niche existence.

KNX has proven itself a long time ago and nowadays can only first play out its strengths. Because it is only through the possibilities we have today (smartphones, tablets, fast internet, IoT etc.) that you can actually exploit and experience the potential of a connected house. In the 90s and 2000s KNX was far ahead of its time.

Please stay grounded. You don’t need to presume to know what I can imagine or not! Especially not when you want to prove how flexible KNX is by describing that everything is actually planned from the beginning and sometimes renovated. I call that inflexible, you apparently call it flexible. Quite a curious argument. And nonsense, please reserve for yourself. EnOcean was founded in 2001, KNX was decided in 2002. EIB is the predecessor but not the same as KNX! But that was more of a joke from me. The future viability cannot be proven by the past right now. But I don’t want to badmouth KNX either. It has its reason for existence. But always preaching that KNX is the only true thing and everything else is just child’s play is unfortunately completely misguided. Especially when prices from €20k to €80k are spent and these no longer even contribute admiration but are taken as normal.