Is membership in the Association of Private Builders worthwhile?

  • Erstellt am 2018-01-12 09:51:18

jehd

2025-05-20 18:06:33
  • #1
I was a member of Wohnen im Eigentum during the house construction 10 years ago. The costs were low, about 100€ per year.

I used it as follows:

Before signing the contract, I booked a review of the specifications at a reasonable price, which was very good. An expert analyzed the entire documentation from the company (the general and my specific one, dozens of pages) and clearly compiled it with comments and evaluations in a table. Into the technical details with standards and norms for everything that was agreed upon (e.g., sound insulation, etc.). Our follow-up questions were also well answered. Mostly everything was okay for us, but it was worth it because it created trust, which was very helpful for our relationship with the builder and positively influenced the whole project.

I also had the contract legally reviewed. We received the result in a phone call with the lawyer on short notice. There were a number of recommendations with good justification, which we were able to negotiate into the contract for the most part.

Finally, they offered short initial consultations that can be booked spontaneously (free of charge). We had a problem with a company (construction defects) and got a direct conversation with a lawyer. We prepared well for this and were able to get a valuable legal assessment with concrete recommendations for action within 15 minutes. This then helped a lot to solve the problem. It was also reassuring to know that such an option existed.

There was also a lot of informational material, but I used it little.

Therefore, my conclusion here is positive; I would definitely do it again.
 

HGZT2025

2025-05-22 16:57:47
  • #2
We are currently building our first house and I’m actually considering canceling our membership due to lack of added value. You have to hire the expert separately on a fee basis anyway, so I wonder why I should join the association in the first place. There was once a letter with a welcome message and the invoice. Since then, nothing else has been heard.

For the shell construction inspection, we then hired an expert. There was an offer showing what costs what, etc. We accepted that and carried out the inspection. Fortunately, there was nothing serious, just some chipping on the brick walls or too wide gaps. Well, that can no longer be changed, only repaired. For the foils, they wanted to know exactly what brand it was and whether it was approved for the purpose. The site manager was supposed to provide proof for that. Some points were also only noted, such as fire protection being present, insulation carried out, the wall made of sand-lime brick, etc. I don’t know why this was done, maybe because otherwise we would have too few points on the list??

What really bothered me, though, was the procedure that after the feedback and repair of the defects from the site manager, I received a request saying that everything would now be entered into a "database" and the expert would comment on everything again. For that, I would have to commission it separately and pay according to the fee rate. We didn’t do that anymore because a) if I receive photos showing that the defects have been resolved and data sheets for the foils, then from my point of view it’s done. Why spend more money on someone typing it out and saying "it’s okay" again?

Our main concern was to know that there were no serious defects and not that everything was neatly stored in some databases.

Another point that bothers me is that, for example, we have a dispute with our site manager regarding the front door. In our opinion, it is not as promised and communicated beforehand. He says, I ordered what you told me and that’s that. But we already see a certain duty to inform if something obviously doesn’t turn out the way we imagine it in reality. The expert took note of this point, wrote down what we told him, and that was it. The site manager’s reaction to this point was that the matter was settled because he only did what we wanted. We supposedly read the door’s specifications.

After that, I prepared the communication, etc. and sent it to the expert because he wanted it. Only upon inquiry did I learn from the secretariat that he had skimmed it and if he was to look deeper, I would have to commission him. Okay, thanks for nothing. Not a finger is moved without payment. I can basically understand that, nobody works for free, but 180 EUR per hour for reading and why am I even in an association? I would have expected to be able to make a quick call with a question, but you can’t get past the secretariat without commissioning.

The next inspection is coming up and I am looking around to see if we can find someone else.
 

D-Zug88

2025-05-22 17:30:06
  • #3

Thanks for the experience report – it’s always valuable to read such ones. Do defects have to be documented in case of a legal dispute? So in the sense that it was professionally remedied, otherwise tacit approval?
 

11ant

2025-05-22 18:07:06
  • #4
If you do not receive special conditions as a member with the expert, I understand your disappointment about that. However, such benefits do not necessarily have to be of a tarif nature, but for example also "reserved slots" in the appointment calendar, thanks to which one gets an appointment faster. In my association (in formation), the members will partially also only receive non-monetary advantages, for example that the expert is certified by the association. There will also be price discounts – but these often have narrower limits than modern online shoppers are used to.

So you only brought an expert for a visual inspection of the "fallen dice" after the completion of the respective construction phase instead of using him during the construction?
Chippings are "normal" to a certain extent and are also factored into the "safety margins" of the standards; they are not significantly less extensive with ongoing supervision either. "Too wide gaps" – you probably mean the joint gaps between the stones – do not occur during masonry but basically already during planning (due to imaginary measurements / disregard of stone dimensions), which is why I always talk about "planned botched spots." These are defects, in my opinion even serious ones, but not really ones that arise only during execution. For my advisees, I already circle such critical points during plan review so that the construction expert on site can put them on his list immediately. Prevention is always more efficient than later nitpicking – therefore, I also generally advise using a accompanying expert instead of a "damage assessor." He should be employed as a site manager – also and especially if you have a contractor "site manager."

Changing horses midstream I would put in the drawer "stupid things." Better change your communication with the expert (i.e. the goal formulations with which you lead / commission him).

Layperson training / product selection advice does not belong to the tasks of a "site manager," nor would it belong to those of a site manager without quotation marks. What is this about: did you have wrong ideas about what "(single-sided) leaf-overlapping" means in a door panel or something similar?
 

HGZT2025

2025-05-23 11:21:26
  • #5
If it is something serious that could possibly end up in a legal dispute, documenting it definitely makes sense. Once everything is closed, you can no longer prove anything. It was different in our case.
 

HGZT2025

2025-05-23 11:35:35
  • #6
No, already before signing the contract, but they couldn't help us much since at that time we found only one general contractor who could/wanted to realize our floor plan as it was and was within the price range. However, we did not receive a prose construction specification, but a bill of quantities indicating where and how something is done. One could only handle that with a site manager. Btw: the service we booked is called "construction-accompanying quality control" or construction supervision. If that were the case, then the architect would be to blame beforehand. And then? Even if it is circled as a critical point and then the expert has it on the list, you still wouldn't be able to change it anymore. If I supplement a second site manager for 180 EUR per hour, I could just as well build a second house right away. Our expert just sees it differently. If in all emails and conversations we talk about execution A (real slate) and then something else is delivered (plastic imitation), one could have said somewhere at some point, "Dear clients, I understand you want real slate since you only talk about that, but this door will not have real slate, be aware of that. The order only stated slate."
 

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