Shism
2012-01-26 11:06:27
- #1
Hello,
I have been following here for a while and trying to inform myself about the house-building project with everything that belongs to it...
Originally, it was planned to build in a few years... We are both in our mid to late twenties and have recently had our second child. My girlfriend currently receives only €160 parental allowance (spread over 2 years). I myself earn about ~€2800 net, not bad, but not so much that money no longer matters ;)
With child benefit and parental allowance, we are thus at about ~€3300 net as "family income"... My girlfriend earns a few extra euros as a childminder and after the 2 years of parental leave will work part-time on a €400-600 basis... a wedding would also mean a few more euros net from gross :rolleyes: Sooner or later, I expect our family income to shift more towards €3500-4000.
A few weeks ago, my parents approached me about whether we could imagine building together with them... My parents have had a building plot (~700m²) in a nice new development for a few years where they want to build their "retirement home" soon :D
Now it could become a semi-detached house!
So here I am now and have to consider if or what I can currently afford... from the financial side, I see the matter like this:
€3300 income (2800 me + 360 child benefit + 150 parental allowance)
~€20-25k equity
Share of the land from my parents which the bank also counts as equity.
I plan a monthly rate of €1100-1200 with which, according to mortgage calculators, I could service about ~€250,000 at 2% repayment and a 15-year term.
So a total of €250-270k is available.
Planned is a footprint of ~9x10m and thus a living area of ~130-140m² (ground floor + upper floor) plus a basement. The basement is to serve partly as storage + laundry room, but one room should also be used as an office/workroom and another room should also remain habitable as a "reserve"... hobby room etc.
For an insulated basement of this size in uncomplicated soil, I have estimated ~€40-50k... realistic? It should not be a turnkey residential basement, but two rooms should be heated so I can put in flooring/wallpaper etc. to get an office etc.
That leaves about ~€200-220k for additional costs + the house itself in turnkey condition... (I would lay the floor/wallpaper myself in the basement... hardly anyone sees it anyway *g)
By the way, the new development is connected to a district heating network which you MUST use! That means I can save the money for a heat pump etc... if I am correctly informed, that saves me easily ~€10k+ in investment capital because I do not need my own heating system.
Is this realistic so far? Will I get a basement + house in mid-to-upscale fittings for that money? (Underfloor heating, not the cheapest flooring etc.) at at least KfW70 standard? Will there maybe even be money left over for the outdoor area/garage?
What I keep wondering all the time is what the savings look like by building 2 semi-detached houses? I have already read that the savings when building a semi-detached house are not particularly large... but what about building 2 semi-detached houses simultaneously with the same developer?
That then tends more towards one very large house of 9x20m... right?
I have often read here about €1500-1600/m² for upscale fittings without a basement... is it realistic to hope to come cheaper with such a large building (9x20m footprint, fully basemented)?
How do the incidental building costs look if you build simultaneously/together? That should then also be cheaper compared to a single-family house, right?
Such a long confusing post with many questions ^^
I will try to summarize the whole thing briefly again:
- Are €45-50k for a basement that meets my requirements realistic?
- What should I calculate per m² for "upscale" fittings, with regard to possible savings through building jointly with my parents and by forgoing a heating system? Are there any savings at all?
- What should I assume as incidental building costs here, again with regard to building jointly with my parents?
I have been following here for a while and trying to inform myself about the house-building project with everything that belongs to it...
Originally, it was planned to build in a few years... We are both in our mid to late twenties and have recently had our second child. My girlfriend currently receives only €160 parental allowance (spread over 2 years). I myself earn about ~€2800 net, not bad, but not so much that money no longer matters ;)
With child benefit and parental allowance, we are thus at about ~€3300 net as "family income"... My girlfriend earns a few extra euros as a childminder and after the 2 years of parental leave will work part-time on a €400-600 basis... a wedding would also mean a few more euros net from gross :rolleyes: Sooner or later, I expect our family income to shift more towards €3500-4000.
A few weeks ago, my parents approached me about whether we could imagine building together with them... My parents have had a building plot (~700m²) in a nice new development for a few years where they want to build their "retirement home" soon :D
Now it could become a semi-detached house!
So here I am now and have to consider if or what I can currently afford... from the financial side, I see the matter like this:
€3300 income (2800 me + 360 child benefit + 150 parental allowance)
~€20-25k equity
Share of the land from my parents which the bank also counts as equity.
I plan a monthly rate of €1100-1200 with which, according to mortgage calculators, I could service about ~€250,000 at 2% repayment and a 15-year term.
So a total of €250-270k is available.
Planned is a footprint of ~9x10m and thus a living area of ~130-140m² (ground floor + upper floor) plus a basement. The basement is to serve partly as storage + laundry room, but one room should also be used as an office/workroom and another room should also remain habitable as a "reserve"... hobby room etc.
For an insulated basement of this size in uncomplicated soil, I have estimated ~€40-50k... realistic? It should not be a turnkey residential basement, but two rooms should be heated so I can put in flooring/wallpaper etc. to get an office etc.
That leaves about ~€200-220k for additional costs + the house itself in turnkey condition... (I would lay the floor/wallpaper myself in the basement... hardly anyone sees it anyway *g)
By the way, the new development is connected to a district heating network which you MUST use! That means I can save the money for a heat pump etc... if I am correctly informed, that saves me easily ~€10k+ in investment capital because I do not need my own heating system.
Is this realistic so far? Will I get a basement + house in mid-to-upscale fittings for that money? (Underfloor heating, not the cheapest flooring etc.) at at least KfW70 standard? Will there maybe even be money left over for the outdoor area/garage?
What I keep wondering all the time is what the savings look like by building 2 semi-detached houses? I have already read that the savings when building a semi-detached house are not particularly large... but what about building 2 semi-detached houses simultaneously with the same developer?
That then tends more towards one very large house of 9x20m... right?
I have often read here about €1500-1600/m² for upscale fittings without a basement... is it realistic to hope to come cheaper with such a large building (9x20m footprint, fully basemented)?
How do the incidental building costs look if you build simultaneously/together? That should then also be cheaper compared to a single-family house, right?
Such a long confusing post with many questions ^^
I will try to summarize the whole thing briefly again:
- Are €45-50k for a basement that meets my requirements realistic?
- What should I calculate per m² for "upscale" fittings, with regard to possible savings through building jointly with my parents and by forgoing a heating system? Are there any savings at all?
- What should I assume as incidental building costs here, again with regard to building jointly with my parents?