Have you ever heard of something like this... mixed construction methods?

  • Erstellt am 2015-11-02 13:24:45

Andreja77

2015-11-02 13:24:45
  • #1
Hello everyone
I have been a silent reader for some time now and I think this forum is simply great! For people like us, who have no idea about construction, this is worth its weight in gold!

I have a quick question:
We want to start building next year in February. It is supposed to be a single-family house. Three floors are planned, the ground floor will be the garages and basement, the 1st and 2nd floors will be the living spaces. (There are 3 garages and a basement room side by side and the rest of the house will go on top. I actually wanted to upload the view, but somehow it doesn’t work, sorry.)
The architect planned for the garages to be built stone by stone and the 1st and 2nd floors in timber frame construction.
Now the structural engineer said it is not allowed to be built that way! The plan is now that the garages and the 1st floor will be built stone by stone and the 2nd floor in timber frame construction.
I am really a bit confused now. Do you know about this? Is that common? Are there any advantages that I don’t see?
Our architect has to answer questions on Wednesday, but before that, I wanted to ask you for advice.
Note: It is being built in the 2nd row, so we have to build upwards and couldn’t go so much sideways.

Many thanks and best regards
Andreja
 

f-pNo

2015-11-02 14:49:00
  • #2
Hello first of all,

I have already heard of this type of construction and can also imagine it.

I had seen it before as well – however, it is not comparable to your situation. When we were still looking for an existing property, we once looked at a house from the 1950s. It was built of stone in the basement and first floor and of wood on the second floor. This was how all the houses on the street had originally been built. This house was not an option for us at the time – but this type of construction was only one of many reasons (overall condition, price, etc.)

It is only conditionally comparable now, since with the construction method suggested to you, the current regulations regarding thermal insulation, etc. must be complied with. BUT – even in the past, a mix of materials was already used.

btw. If someone has a prefabricated house (timber frame house) built on top of a basement, in my opinion they also have such a mix of materials (speaking as a "non-prefab house owner").
 

Doc.Schnaggls

2015-11-02 15:13:09
  • #3
Hello,

yes, we also looked at this construction method with a provider (company Keilhofer - Zwiesel). There, this principle is offered under the name "hybrid construction" - ground floor stone and upper floor timber construction.

However, 's statement (concrete basement and timber frame house) is also correct - since you have a similar mix of materials there.

What I do not understand, however, is what problem the structural engineer has with this mix. Our house manufacturer now already builds up to 5-storey apartment buildings in timber frame construction - so with proper execution, it is unlikely to be a stability problem...

Best regards,

Dirk
 

Bauexperte

2015-11-02 16:51:20
  • #4
Hello Dirk,


Soil conditions ... earthquake zone ... it's quite possible that the structural engineer advises against the planned construction method.

Rhenish greetings
 

Bauexperte

2015-11-02 17:21:38
  • #5
Hello Dirk,


Why should he? This is how construction is done every day

I am currently experiencing the opposite - planned is a solidly built two-story semi-detached house with a set-back floor and flat roof in M’gladbach. According to the structural engineer, due to earthquake proofing, we have to design the ceiling above the upper floor as a wooden beam ceiling.

Rhenish greetings
 

Andreja77

2015-11-02 17:30:40
  • #6
Uii... many thanks for the quick answers
you are right, it would basically have been a mix, but I was confused that one floor now has to be solid. The structural engineer says otherwise it will be "too light" ... I have to have everything explained to me on Wednesday, somehow it just seems strange to me... it was really new to me that it is done like that.
I will report on Wednesday what exactly the architect says... he only spoke briefly on the phone with my husband today.
Many kind regards
Andreja
 

Similar topics
18.05.2011Minimum scope of services Architect + structural engineer possibly self-performance?10
25.02.2015Planning / Architect, involvement of specialist planners for the approval plan10
30.09.2015Floor plan of a single-family house with basement19
27.04.2016Floor plan design basement, ground floor + attic floor12
15.08.2016Civil engineer contradicts structural engineer27
04.05.2017Timber frame construction, which company is good40
10.11.2017House plan by architect 2 floors with basement18
11.01.2018Partition wall thickness for duplex house. Structural engineer plans 17.5 cm14
02.04.2018Offer structural engineer + thermal insulation certificate Energy Saving Ordinance 201616
13.01.2020Cellar vs. large garage46
09.10.2020Single-family house 220 sqm with basement on 700 sqm plot41
10.09.2020Bought an old cellar. Does it only carry wooden studs or also solid construction?17
07.02.2021Classic single-family house 200 sqm (plus basement) tips?32
11.02.2021Structural engineer needed for rough assessment of load-bearing capacity25
23.04.2021Bungalow floor plan 160-170 sqm with basement175
14.04.2021Floor plan design for bungalow with basement - 140 sqm - slight slope90
05.12.2021Cost of structural engineer single-family house23
02.10.2023Floor plan single-family house ~165m² plus basement165
22.09.2022Basement without additional flooring / cleaning floor slab34
29.03.2025Draft single-family house (EFH), 2 full stories, gabled roof, no basement, double garage31

Oben