Dried soy as a meat substitute

It sounded like for preservation reasons. Beef jerky is excellent for that.

Yeah, sure. With my post I meant that it doesn't help the OP if people here post what they put on the grill or not. He needs options he can take with him when hiking, of course BJ belongs to that.

mh Beef Jerkey on the grill. I have to try that sometime...

I also don't like prepared seasoned soy products on the plate. Turn the packet over, check the ingredient list, done. We can get our beef from a farmer. However, we only found this one farmer in the district who fulfilled our entire wish list. He only keeps what his land can support. No genetically modified seed. No purchased soy. Huge amounts of animal feed are used that people lack. The calves suckle from their mothers. Grazing on meadows like in a cow sanatorium. Win-win for everyone. I admit, I like eating meat. And this meat is great. To the farmer's chagrin, we don’t eat it every day. You have great ideas! I will try beef jerky and at home marinating in soy sauce and wine. Canned sausages must be finished within 12 hours without refrigeration. Hard cheese is sometimes okay, but after a short time the fat separates. White cheese is downright dangerous. Are we taking wine? Absolutely! You just have to focus on the essentials when packing. We even carry amounts that allow for offering. You have to prepare for the worst. Best regards Gabriele

In this respect, I am in favor of continuing research in this area, I try regularly, but so far I haven't found anything that meets my standards.

Have you ever tried the schnitzels from Valess or the veggie sausage and meatballs from Rügenwalder? I do think there are many delicious vegetarian options, not everything tastes good to me either, you just have to try.

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Sabine

: Valess not yet, it’s on the list. Thanks for the tip! I already know Rügenwalder and they really do their job well in terms of taste. Unfortunately, the texture doesn’t fit at all, which is why I don’t eat it regularly and can’t yet imagine eating a steak made from it. But yes, it’s definitely not bad. I am actually placing my hope more in completely artificial products made from protein. So basically "printed" meat. Or from modified yeast cultures. Because what many don’t realize with all the soy is that massive amounts of rainforest are being cut down for it, so from a global conservation perspective it’s rather negative. Sure, feeding soy directly to humans instead of to animals would be more efficient, but we need to fundamentally change our nutritional basis or prepare for restrictions.

Because what many don’t realize about all this soy is that vast amounts of rainforest are being cleared for it, so it's actually rather negative in the global conservation balance. Sure, feeding soy directly to humans instead of animals would be more efficient, but nutritionally we need to shift to completely different foundations or prepare for restrictions.

That argument almost always comes up, but: the really nasty soy production definitely isn’t for human consumption, but for animal feed in factory farming. Unfortunately, you’re not allowed to link anything here anymore, but this is not just my claim (I also used to think I was doing something good for the environment by not eating soy), it has now been disproven multiple times thoroughly. The really perverse thing is simply beef cattle farming: Rainforest is cleared for soy without regard for losses (disaster 1), then it’s shipped to Europe (these ships are disaster 2), then fed to cattle who in turn fart and produce even more CO2 (disaster 3) – and finally we buy milk that’s cheaper than water. That just can’t add up. I unfortunately can’t tolerate soy, so many substitutes are just not an option for me. But Valess is really great… Beyond Meat is also top. And no, I am neither vegetarian nor vegan, but my attitude has definitely changed a lot.