Hitokiri-1978
2021-02-18 15:55:36
- #1
Hello everyone,
I have to elaborate a bit. We come from the northern outskirts of Munich (Nordallianz). We first learned in 2018 that our municipality (where we live in a rental apartment) was announcing 3 new development areas under the Einheimischen model. There was various information, development plans, sqm prices including discounts, etc. Everything was wonderful, and we already had initial financing lined up. Then in 2020 the "hammer" came. The new land reference values were announced and had increased by 34% in the main municipality and even by 74% !! in the branch compared to two years before, more like exploded.
At the end of 2020, the municipality said that the areas or parcels would no longer be sold but only granted under [Erbbaurecht] (ground lease). Just before Christmas, the conditions leaked out.
[Erbpachtlaufzeit]: 75 years
[Selbstnutzungsplficht]: 20 years
[Erbzins]: 12.50 euros/sqm per year (or 13.50 euros in the branch)
That means I am allowed to sell the house at the earliest after 20 years and can then only offer the buyer 55 years of remaining [Erbpacht] term. In addition, they want to veto if the sale price is excessive :(
Honestly, my mood got worse and worse about this. The only big advantage would be that we could stay in our home municipality, continue going to the usual sports, meet my wife's acquaintances from the music and dance school, etc., and we would still be relatively close to my parents and my brothers.
Or the alternative:
We search on our own or with a realtor or home-building companies for a suitable plot, possibly an existing property to tear down or renovate, although I would have strong reservations about the latter. I would prefer something new that can be planned well. But... plots (to build on, even before Corona but now more so) are very rare and if so, in cow villages with not even 100 inhabitants and no infrastructure. We need more space because child no. 1 is already here and no. 2 should follow in 2-3 years, a kindergarten including daycare, elementary school, reasonable shopping options, yes, the nice familiar "luxury" we already have here. And yes... our budget is about 500,000 for everything. But plots alone mostly cannot be found for less than 250k.
In "emergency," we would have to go really far away, towards Regensburg, Deggendorf, etc., because there is still affordable land there.
That is again like choosing between the plague and cholera. What should we do? Stay here under [Erbbaurecht] with miserable conditions and bind ourselves for 20 years and end up with a ruined house that no one wants or move out to the sticks, build the same house there, but always drive forever by car and live separated from everything. We don't want to move to a big city either, a suburb with 10-20,000 inhabitants in the commuter belt of a larger city would be ideal.
Your tips?
Best regards,
Harry
I have to elaborate a bit. We come from the northern outskirts of Munich (Nordallianz). We first learned in 2018 that our municipality (where we live in a rental apartment) was announcing 3 new development areas under the Einheimischen model. There was various information, development plans, sqm prices including discounts, etc. Everything was wonderful, and we already had initial financing lined up. Then in 2020 the "hammer" came. The new land reference values were announced and had increased by 34% in the main municipality and even by 74% !! in the branch compared to two years before, more like exploded.
At the end of 2020, the municipality said that the areas or parcels would no longer be sold but only granted under [Erbbaurecht] (ground lease). Just before Christmas, the conditions leaked out.
[Erbpachtlaufzeit]: 75 years
[Selbstnutzungsplficht]: 20 years
[Erbzins]: 12.50 euros/sqm per year (or 13.50 euros in the branch)
That means I am allowed to sell the house at the earliest after 20 years and can then only offer the buyer 55 years of remaining [Erbpacht] term. In addition, they want to veto if the sale price is excessive :(
Honestly, my mood got worse and worse about this. The only big advantage would be that we could stay in our home municipality, continue going to the usual sports, meet my wife's acquaintances from the music and dance school, etc., and we would still be relatively close to my parents and my brothers.
Or the alternative:
We search on our own or with a realtor or home-building companies for a suitable plot, possibly an existing property to tear down or renovate, although I would have strong reservations about the latter. I would prefer something new that can be planned well. But... plots (to build on, even before Corona but now more so) are very rare and if so, in cow villages with not even 100 inhabitants and no infrastructure. We need more space because child no. 1 is already here and no. 2 should follow in 2-3 years, a kindergarten including daycare, elementary school, reasonable shopping options, yes, the nice familiar "luxury" we already have here. And yes... our budget is about 500,000 for everything. But plots alone mostly cannot be found for less than 250k.
In "emergency," we would have to go really far away, towards Regensburg, Deggendorf, etc., because there is still affordable land there.
That is again like choosing between the plague and cholera. What should we do? Stay here under [Erbbaurecht] with miserable conditions and bind ourselves for 20 years and end up with a ruined house that no one wants or move out to the sticks, build the same house there, but always drive forever by car and live separated from everything. We don't want to move to a big city either, a suburb with 10-20,000 inhabitants in the commuter belt of a larger city would be ideal.
Your tips?
Best regards,
Harry