Comprehension question: Gable roof - load-bearing walls - floor plan

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wiltshire

2025-01-11 01:20:29
  • #1
If you want everything you see right away, it naturally becomes difficult. A certain ability to abstract is indeed helpful, you are right.
 

HausmitGarten

2025-01-11 18:44:57
  • #2


Thank you all, that already helps us considerably with the question.



The initial idea was/is to not expand the attic further at first and to use it as a cellar replacement. If expansion is desired prospectively, a dry attic truss roof would be a rather unfavorable solution — in that case, we would prefer a purlin or rafter roof due to the freedom in room usage. What do you think?


The plot has 526 sqm; the development plan indicates a building level II/2 — two full stories plus an attic as a non-full story. The site coverage ratio is 0.2 and the floor area ratio is 0.4. The city planning office suggests a deviation in terms of exceeding the floor area ratio for the attic expansion (including comparison with neighboring plots) and consequently recommends planning the rooms as living spaces. We have read the 11ant cellar rule — the plot is almost level. The existing building, which has no cellar, will be demolished.


Sure, that was meant — we just like to call it “our” project ;-)



Thanks for the questions — they help challenge our own thoughts! Actually, I planned to start the floor plan discussion in the appropriate subforum and feed it with the necessary additional inputs, but I’m happy to address these topics here already:

    [*]The idea in the shown floor plan is to split the contents of the “classic” technical room on the ground floor into a HAR (house technology room) + storage on the ground floor and a utility room + storage upstairs. Based on the “usual” technical room sizes of about 10 - 12 sqm, the first thought was to split this size. But please feel free to give us feedback if this “definitely won’t work” :). The current goal is to have at least 8 sqm on the ground floor. Building technology is as usual in a new build — we will install a brine-water or air-water heat pump, probably without storage tank. We want to place the photovoltaic technology in the attic.
    [*]We aligned the shape of the staircase to the walking paths — on the ground floor split between entrance and living room towards the upper floor — and tried upstairs to be even more space-saving (therefore two quarter turns there). Does that lead to relevant additional costs?
    [*]What do you mean by “large traffic area”? The idea so far is to place the kitchen on the right side, the dining area in the middle, and the living area on the left side. The room orientation is then almost exactly southeast. Possibly the room is currently planned too large?
    [*]We want to equip the storage room upstairs with wall shelves/cabinets and a washing machine + dryer. But the narrow width has already caught our negative attention — we want to address that.
    [*]The hallway is planned to be 1.25 m wide; the staircase has 1.0 m stair width. We thought these are usual widths?
    [*]Not yet drawn in — as said, we did not want to start the floor plan discussion yet.

Thanks so far — I’m looking forward to further exchange.
 

11ant

2025-01-11 19:05:07
  • #3

... you would prospectively need to win the lottery. Unless a fertility treatment is unexpectedly resulting in quadruplets, I would primarily consider that mysterious multi-purpose space reserves are never given for free. So basement replacement in moderation and in case of a family population explosion, a move to another property. Space for showing off is a waste of money.
 

HausmitGarten

2025-01-11 19:20:15
  • #4
Our assessment is that we still need storage space outside the ground floor and upper floor, assuming about 20 m². The attic is initially suitable for this. What would be your conclusion in the specific case other than the dry attic truss variant (which has not yet convinced us)? Reduce the footprint of the house and fully develop the attic? Keep the footprint but choose a flat roof or another roof form, possibly waive the second full floor and work with a high knee wall to minimize the attic space?
 

11ant

2025-01-11 22:48:04
  • #5
I don't conclude anything, Watson. It is not appropriate for just 20 m² of storage space either. I only mentioned the dry attic trusses as an economical option (because the question was about the cheapest option). Now don't build the house under the roof; that would be putting the cart before the horse. For such sprint-target questions, it is far too early. Before continuing, first comes the beginning (with "Module A"). This results in the specifications, into which emerging building features should not already flow as a headline. Do not try to acquire suitability in order to train the architect.
 

wiltshire

2025-01-12 09:43:56
  • #6
Draw this on graph paper and cut out a few scale-accurate snippets for furniture and kitchen. Move these around the room to get a feel for an arrangement. You will find that a lot of space remains that you will only use to go from one area to another. That’s what I mean by "circulation area". Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, but if you consider what a 1m enclosed space costs, you can imagine how expensive it is to use space inefficiently – especially when you realize that overall it might be somewhat too little.
 

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