Assessment of costs for the shell construction and total costs (plaster, screed)

2023-10-27 09:43:34

By the way, in the USA the mortgage interest rate is already over 8 percent. How are you supposed to finance these high-priced houses there?

Briefly for context. This is the rate for 30-year mortgages. It has increased about 2.8 times from its lowest point to today.
For comparison, the German interest rate development in relation. From the lowest point to today, about a 5.6-fold increase.

So the Americans are actually doing quite well today. They do not have to endure a large interest rate increase. In this respect, the interest rate of 8% initially says nothing except that it has become more expensive.

By the way, prices in the USA are not dropping significantly despite the high interest rates – limited supply/availability, similar to here. At least with decent properties here, weak older buildings are already declining significantly. New constructions in the metropolitan areas are already rising in price again.

2023-10-27 10:02:37

300k is way too expensive. I wouldn't have it built for that price. You might have 50k worth of materials at most. If even that much. The rest is supposed to be labor? No way. (...)

If you want to use papier-mâché for the walls and wet, soggy sand for the floor slab and ceiling, then maybe. As a ready-to-move-in price, one would probably assume around 700,000 to 800,000 EUR just for the house with its over 200m², plus basement, plus garage. Altogether, you'd be approaching the million mark. And the shell construction is supposed to cost 10% of that?

You really should slowly leave behind the 70s under Willy Brandt and travel from the 90s into the present.

2023-10-28 13:00:09

Attached are some pictures with sketches for illustration

... with similarities that, in my view, suggest resistance to advice, to the opening post from :-(

Interior plaster: Unfortunately, I cannot accurately calculate the area here

The rules regarding the oversizing of openings are, in my opinion, practical and applicable in a similar manner to those for exterior plaster, painting work, etc.

2023-10-28 13:45:56

Hello.

Thanks first of all for your advice.

, unfortunately I have not yet found another concept suitable for me. I also have another draft with a different general contractor running, but have not received any feedback yet. It is not necessarily about the draft, but rather about the costs for the shell construction and the costs that will be added.

When I add up the individual items and include planning costs, of course I arrive at a lower amount, but it is still open whether a single contract to planners, masonry companies, basement companies, and roofer will result in a different total.

For concrete, I have prices from our mixing plant, I can also look up Poroton on the internet, although the masonry companies surely get decent discounts, I can also look up steel prices, but I think creating the shell is somewhat of an effort.

Crane, scaffolding, excavator, insulation material, jamb stones, roller shutter box, etc. plus personnel

2023-10-28 14:11:50

@11ant, unfortunately I have not yet found another concept suitable for me. I also have another draft running with another general contractor, but have not received any feedback yet. It is not necessarily about the draft itself, but more about the costs for the shell construction and the additional costs that come with it.

Alright, if the shown draft is only supposed to be a dummy—wherever I might have overseen that—then a realization with a green floor plan is naturally similar in cost to a blue one. The essential crux of the suggestions given to you lies in the effects of the different proposed house positions and building compositions on the terrain modeling costs and the like. And of course, in what comes after the shell construction. For the shell itself, the decisive factor is more the question of which interior walls are built how: lightweight walls are usually only skim-coated rather than fully plastered, which is possibly more significant than rounding errors when calculating plaster surface areas. Do you want (maybe I just overlooked this as well) to build the non-load-bearing interior walls yourself?

2023-10-28 14:48:30

Of course I read it. 300k is still way too expensive. That is and remains my opinion.

Property prices are falling, construction costs will fall, we have a massive crisis in construction and jobs are disappearing en masse.
You can also build cheaply sometimes.

There are supposedly people who can build for only 2000 euros per sqm.

With the decline of the German industry, property prices will also fall. By the way, in the USA, the mortgage interest rate is already over 8 percent. How are you supposed to finance these high-priced houses? That just doesn’t work at all.

The prices of recent years are simply astronomical prices. One should say goodbye to them. Everything will now be realigned.
Both material prices and labor costs are expected to fall noticeably.

The problem in the coming months and years will be a huge liquidity crisis. No one will have money anymore. Real incomes keep falling, financing costs keep rising, banks’ lending will be restrictive.

Those who have enough cash behind them will be able to build very cheaply.

For that reason, I would no longer build for the price mentioned today.

Labor costs will fall? In construction? With the inflation of the last 2 years? With the shortage of skilled workers? With the demand? With the collective wage increases?
Oh man, enough internet for today.

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Assessment of costs for the shell construction and total costs (plaster, screed)

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